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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re the meaning in my life, you&#8217;re the inspiration by Mike C</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2013/05/18/youre-the-meaning-in-my-life-youre-the-inspiration/#comment-84108</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 11:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jks, I really appreciate your points. I think Vada already addressed them in a way similar to how I would have.

I have experienced many times what I would classify as inspiration, so I&#039;m very sympathetic to what you&#039;re saying. Currently I feel less strongly than in previous years that God wants me to do very specific things, rather than me choosing more independently, but I agree that inspiration is worth discussing within marriages and I admire the way you and your husband seem to do it.

The challenge for me is situations where two people&#039;s inspiration does not match up. If God is inspiring both people, then what do you do with that, especially if they are husband and wife dealing with a single decision? My concern is that in those cases it is very easy for the person in the more advantaged position (very frequently the husband in Mormon culture) to &quot;win&quot; by default, because appealing to inspiration can very easily shut off debate (e.g., &quot;I know my decision seems illogical to you, but I feel inspired to do it.&quot;). Having taught the Strengthening Marriage class, we unfortunately observed that this seemed to happen within marriages more frequently than we would have liked.

I think this can also happen in church administration. A primary president feels inspired to call someone as a teacher and the bishop responds by saying he felt inspired to do something different. At that point, how does the primary president appeal the point? It seems that the bishop&#039;s claiming inspiration limits further discussion, or puts the primary president in a one-down position. If she disagrees, she must be questioning the inspiration of the leader of the ward.

As a recent personal example, the stake high councilor sent an e-mail saying he prayed and felt that God wanted him to choose certain GC talks for 4th Sunday lessons. The first two were by Sister Dalton and Elder Bednar, which would have been two of the last I would have ever chosen as I did not feel good about many parts of them. So, it is frustrating to me that to disagree with the high councilor is to question his inspiration.

So, I don&#039;t know what the best answer is, but what I would prefer is that we each process what we feel is best based on inspiration and other factors, and then we present that answer as our preference or opinion, rather than as our inspiration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jks, I really appreciate your points. I think Vada already addressed them in a way similar to how I would have.</p>
<p>I have experienced many times what I would classify as inspiration, so I&#8217;m very sympathetic to what you&#8217;re saying. Currently I feel less strongly than in previous years that God wants me to do very specific things, rather than me choosing more independently, but I agree that inspiration is worth discussing within marriages and I admire the way you and your husband seem to do it.</p>
<p>The challenge for me is situations where two people&#8217;s inspiration does not match up. If God is inspiring both people, then what do you do with that, especially if they are husband and wife dealing with a single decision? My concern is that in those cases it is very easy for the person in the more advantaged position (very frequently the husband in Mormon culture) to &#8220;win&#8221; by default, because appealing to inspiration can very easily shut off debate (e.g., &#8220;I know my decision seems illogical to you, but I feel inspired to do it.&#8221;). Having taught the Strengthening Marriage class, we unfortunately observed that this seemed to happen within marriages more frequently than we would have liked.</p>
<p>I think this can also happen in church administration. A primary president feels inspired to call someone as a teacher and the bishop responds by saying he felt inspired to do something different. At that point, how does the primary president appeal the point? It seems that the bishop&#8217;s claiming inspiration limits further discussion, or puts the primary president in a one-down position. If she disagrees, she must be questioning the inspiration of the leader of the ward.</p>
<p>As a recent personal example, the stake high councilor sent an e-mail saying he prayed and felt that God wanted him to choose certain GC talks for 4th Sunday lessons. The first two were by Sister Dalton and Elder Bednar, which would have been two of the last I would have ever chosen as I did not feel good about many parts of them. So, it is frustrating to me that to disagree with the high councilor is to question his inspiration.</p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t know what the best answer is, but what I would prefer is that we each process what we feel is best based on inspiration and other factors, and then we present that answer as our preference or opinion, rather than as our inspiration.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re the meaning in my life, you&#8217;re the inspiration by Vada</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2013/05/18/youre-the-meaning-in-my-life-youre-the-inspiration/#comment-84099</link>
		<dc:creator>Vada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 07:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jks, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessarily wrong to discuss inspiration about whether to marry with someone you&#039;re dating, but whether it&#039;s appropriate is definitely dependent on what stage the relationship is in.  If you&#039;ve dated for a while, gotten serious, and discussed the possibility of marriage, then bringing up that you&#039;ve prayed about it and feel God wants you to marry them is probably all right (as long as you accept that they also have the right to pray about it and might get a different answer).  It is not, however, something that should ever be brought up on a first date, whether you&#039;ve felt inspiration about it then or not.  If the relationship progresses to the point you&#039;re talking about marriage, you could say, &quot;I&#039;ve felt like I was supposed to marry you since our first date,&quot; but you absolutely should not bring it up on the first date!

And I agree with you that discussing inspiration as one thing to weigh when making large decisions in a marriage is a good thing.  My husband and I certainly do.  But again, this is where it is extremely important to remember and accept that the other person is also entitled to inspiration, and it might not be the same as yours.  The results of this can differ.  Here are three examples from my own life:

1. When my husband was interviewing for jobs just after graduate school he got two offers.  We both prayed about which job he should take, and got different answers.  We talked about it, and he felt more strongly than I did, plus I thought it would affect his life more than mine, so I went along with his inspiration, even though I didn&#039;t necessarily agree with it and certainly hadn&#039;t gotten the same inspiration.

2. Each time I&#039;ve gotten pregnant I&#039;ve gotten strong inspiration that we were supposed to before we did.  I told my husband each time.  I think the first time he didn&#039;t get inspiration one way or the other and decided to go along with my inspiration.  I think the third time he prayed and also received inspiration that we should have another baby.  I&#039;m not sure which it was the second time, but I&#039;m sure it was one of those two scenarios.

3. At the moment, I feel strongly that we should adopt.  My husband doesn&#039;t.  He feels (somewhat) strongly that I should get pregnant.  I don&#039;t.  So for now we&#039;re not adopting or having a biological kid, because we can&#039;t come to an agreement.

In all these cases, inspiration is one aspect of a larger discussion.  And most importantly, inspiration is personal and while we can share our feelings with our spouses, it should only happen if we are willing to accept that their inspiration on the same matter might be different and are willing to work through the issues that will arise if that&#039;s the case.  (BTW, I&#039;m not suggesting that this isn&#039;t how you discuss inspiration in your marriage -- it probably is.  I&#039;m just suggesting that I think this is the only acceptable way to discuss inspiration in a marriage, and since it certainly isn&#039;t the only way inspiration is discussed in some marriages, that might be why Mike made his fourth point.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jks, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessarily wrong to discuss inspiration about whether to marry with someone you&#8217;re dating, but whether it&#8217;s appropriate is definitely dependent on what stage the relationship is in.  If you&#8217;ve dated for a while, gotten serious, and discussed the possibility of marriage, then bringing up that you&#8217;ve prayed about it and feel God wants you to marry them is probably all right (as long as you accept that they also have the right to pray about it and might get a different answer).  It is not, however, something that should ever be brought up on a first date, whether you&#8217;ve felt inspiration about it then or not.  If the relationship progresses to the point you&#8217;re talking about marriage, you could say, &#8220;I&#8217;ve felt like I was supposed to marry you since our first date,&#8221; but you absolutely should not bring it up on the first date!</p>
<p>And I agree with you that discussing inspiration as one thing to weigh when making large decisions in a marriage is a good thing.  My husband and I certainly do.  But again, this is where it is extremely important to remember and accept that the other person is also entitled to inspiration, and it might not be the same as yours.  The results of this can differ.  Here are three examples from my own life:</p>
<p>1. When my husband was interviewing for jobs just after graduate school he got two offers.  We both prayed about which job he should take, and got different answers.  We talked about it, and he felt more strongly than I did, plus I thought it would affect his life more than mine, so I went along with his inspiration, even though I didn&#8217;t necessarily agree with it and certainly hadn&#8217;t gotten the same inspiration.</p>
<p>2. Each time I&#8217;ve gotten pregnant I&#8217;ve gotten strong inspiration that we were supposed to before we did.  I told my husband each time.  I think the first time he didn&#8217;t get inspiration one way or the other and decided to go along with my inspiration.  I think the third time he prayed and also received inspiration that we should have another baby.  I&#8217;m not sure which it was the second time, but I&#8217;m sure it was one of those two scenarios.</p>
<p>3. At the moment, I feel strongly that we should adopt.  My husband doesn&#8217;t.  He feels (somewhat) strongly that I should get pregnant.  I don&#8217;t.  So for now we&#8217;re not adopting or having a biological kid, because we can&#8217;t come to an agreement.</p>
<p>In all these cases, inspiration is one aspect of a larger discussion.  And most importantly, inspiration is personal and while we can share our feelings with our spouses, it should only happen if we are willing to accept that their inspiration on the same matter might be different and are willing to work through the issues that will arise if that&#8217;s the case.  (BTW, I&#8217;m not suggesting that this isn&#8217;t how you discuss inspiration in your marriage &#8212; it probably is.  I&#8217;m just suggesting that I think this is the only acceptable way to discuss inspiration in a marriage, and since it certainly isn&#8217;t the only way inspiration is discussed in some marriages, that might be why Mike made his fourth point.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re the meaning in my life, you&#8217;re the inspiration by Emily U</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2013/05/18/youre-the-meaning-in-my-life-youre-the-inspiration/#comment-84086</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 20:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a short time in high school I dated a guy who loved Chicago and played that song for me, telling me I was the inspiration.  I thought it was gross.  I can&#039;t hear it anymore without feeling the urge to flee.

&quot;My inspiration informs my decisions, but I am still the decision-maker.&quot; 

Yes.  That, and keep your inspiration to yourself!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a short time in high school I dated a guy who loved Chicago and played that song for me, telling me I was the inspiration.  I thought it was gross.  I can&#8217;t hear it anymore without feeling the urge to flee.</p>
<p>&#8220;My inspiration informs my decisions, but I am still the decision-maker.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yes.  That, and keep your inspiration to yourself!</p>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re the meaning in my life, you&#8217;re the inspiration by Joseph M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 16:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your first and fourth points under practical implications apear ti me to be corelaries to the the  principle that &quot;no power or influence ought to be maintaned by virtue of the priesthood, only by PESUASION...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first and fourth points under practical implications apear ti me to be corelaries to the the  principle that &#8220;no power or influence ought to be maintaned by virtue of the priesthood, only by PESUASION&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re the meaning in my life, you&#8217;re the inspiration by jks</title>
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		<dc:creator>jks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 14:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mostly agree with this post. Except for the idea that you shouldn&#039;t discuss your possible inspiration feelings with your fiance/e or spouse. What kind of marriages do you people have that you aren&#039;t open and don&#039;t discuss your feelings on things like marriage and things like moves or job acceptance.
My husband and I absolutely talked about why we were choosing each other. He may have asked me to marry him prematurely because he was in love with him, but I said no and over the course of the next few months I told him when I had prayed about it and when I was ready to accept and that praying about it (inspiration) and knowing God approved was part of it. Also, I pretty much insisted that he  pray about it too.
When he and I make big decisions we pray about it and we discuss it and our feelings on whether we feel inspired to do it or inspired not to do it absolutely play into it.
I find it strange that anyone would think it is hurtful to discuss these things within a marriage. No one is really using inspiration to trump anyone. We are both seeking to make the best decisions for our family using logic and reason and experience and knowledge and understanding our wants and needs and looking to the Lord for guidance through inspiration. My husband and I have talked about the inspiration we have felt or not felt for all of the following decisions:
1. Having baby #1 and baby #4
2. Freezing sperm
3. Homeschooling child #3
4. Choosing a school for child #1
5. Accepting a job offers
6. Buying a house
7. Dealing with problems within the family
Maybe we aren&#039;t always using the word inspiration or revelation, but we do talk about feelings and answers and what God wants us to do or what we think God is telling us to do which is the same thing.
I honestly can&#039;t imagine a life where when my husband and I go into the sperm collection room of a fertility clinic (just before chemo started) and I covered the stack of porn magazines with a towel, that I didn&#039;t insist that we  pray since I did not feel inspired to do this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly agree with this post. Except for the idea that you shouldn&#8217;t discuss your possible inspiration feelings with your fiance/e or spouse. What kind of marriages do you people have that you aren&#8217;t open and don&#8217;t discuss your feelings on things like marriage and things like moves or job acceptance.<br />
My husband and I absolutely talked about why we were choosing each other. He may have asked me to marry him prematurely because he was in love with him, but I said no and over the course of the next few months I told him when I had prayed about it and when I was ready to accept and that praying about it (inspiration) and knowing God approved was part of it. Also, I pretty much insisted that he  pray about it too.<br />
When he and I make big decisions we pray about it and we discuss it and our feelings on whether we feel inspired to do it or inspired not to do it absolutely play into it.<br />
I find it strange that anyone would think it is hurtful to discuss these things within a marriage. No one is really using inspiration to trump anyone. We are both seeking to make the best decisions for our family using logic and reason and experience and knowledge and understanding our wants and needs and looking to the Lord for guidance through inspiration. My husband and I have talked about the inspiration we have felt or not felt for all of the following decisions:<br />
1. Having baby #1 and baby #4<br />
2. Freezing sperm<br />
3. Homeschooling child #3<br />
4. Choosing a school for child #1<br />
5. Accepting a job offers<br />
6. Buying a house<br />
7. Dealing with problems within the family<br />
Maybe we aren&#8217;t always using the word inspiration or revelation, but we do talk about feelings and answers and what God wants us to do or what we think God is telling us to do which is the same thing.<br />
I honestly can&#8217;t imagine a life where when my husband and I go into the sperm collection room of a fertility clinic (just before chemo started) and I covered the stack of porn magazines with a towel, that I didn&#8217;t insist that we  pray since I did not feel inspired to do this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re the meaning in my life, you&#8217;re the inspiration by Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 12:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the &#039;82 World Series is too painful, you might derive some pleasure from Tom Boswell&#039;s marvelous essay, &quot;Bred to a Harder Thing than Triumph.&quot;  Even as an Orioles fan I enjoy this account of the remarkable &#039;82 Orioles-Brewers pennant race.  

Of course, the Brewers are dead to me now, since they defected the AL.  Well, that and foisting Bud Selig on us all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the &#8217;82 World Series is too painful, you might derive some pleasure from Tom Boswell&#8217;s marvelous essay, &#8220;Bred to a Harder Thing than Triumph.&#8221;  Even as an Orioles fan I enjoy this account of the remarkable &#8217;82 Orioles-Brewers pennant race.  </p>
<p>Of course, the Brewers are dead to me now, since they defected the AL.  Well, that and foisting Bud Selig on us all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re the meaning in my life, you&#8217;re the inspiration by Mike C</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2013/05/18/youre-the-meaning-in-my-life-youre-the-inspiration/#comment-84056</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 00:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, I think my subconscious was working when I wrote this post because I have a daughter at BYU. She&#039;s made it through 2 years unmarried so I&#039;m breathing a little easier. I&#039;m sure she&#039;ll make wise decisions about her life and marriage, but they seem so darn young and vulnerable those first years in college (I know I was) that I&#039;m grateful for each additional month of maturation and frontal lobe development before really big decisions are made.

sar, I confess that my Wisconsin bona-fides are imperfect. Though born and raised in Wisconsin, we moved when I was 15 before I could become a true Wisconsin beer connoisseur (my parents wouldn&#039;t even allow Pepsi in the house). In my defense, when we cooked our brats we were closer to St. Louis than Milwaukee, so perhaps our use of Bud can be forgiven.

Left Field, please don&#039;t bring up the painful subject of the World Series of 1982. This (former) baseball fanatic is still in mourning. Every October our flag flies at half mast and I only dress in black.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I think my subconscious was working when I wrote this post because I have a daughter at BYU. She&#8217;s made it through 2 years unmarried so I&#8217;m breathing a little easier. I&#8217;m sure she&#8217;ll make wise decisions about her life and marriage, but they seem so darn young and vulnerable those first years in college (I know I was) that I&#8217;m grateful for each additional month of maturation and frontal lobe development before really big decisions are made.</p>
<p>sar, I confess that my Wisconsin bona-fides are imperfect. Though born and raised in Wisconsin, we moved when I was 15 before I could become a true Wisconsin beer connoisseur (my parents wouldn&#8217;t even allow Pepsi in the house). In my defense, when we cooked our brats we were closer to St. Louis than Milwaukee, so perhaps our use of Bud can be forgiven.</p>
<p>Left Field, please don&#8217;t bring up the painful subject of the World Series of 1982. This (former) baseball fanatic is still in mourning. Every October our flag flies at half mast and I only dress in black.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re the meaning in my life, you&#8217;re the inspiration by Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 03:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sar&#039;s comment reminds me of a sign held by a fan during a rain delay in the &#039;82 World Series between the Cardinals and Brewers.

&quot;Don&#039;t let the rain get in your beer or it will taste like the stuff they brew in Milwaukee.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sar&#8217;s comment reminds me of a sign held by a fan during a rain delay in the &#8217;82 World Series between the Cardinals and Brewers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t let the rain get in your beer or it will taste like the stuff they brew in Milwaukee.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fallout from Mother&#8217;s Day: The Doggerel Challenge of 2013 by Lynnette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 01:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha! That&#039;s a great one.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re the meaning in my life, you&#8217;re the inspiration by sar</title>
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		<dc:creator>sar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would have thought a true Sconnie would have been inspired to boil brats in Miller, or at least some other Wisconsin-brewed beer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought a true Sconnie would have been inspired to boil brats in Miller, or at least some other Wisconsin-brewed beer.</p>
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