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	<title>Comments on: The Paradox of God: Thinking about the Story of Job</title>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate this post. It was like reading some of my own thoughts lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate this post. It was like reading some of my own thoughts lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow… I love how you all dissected the story of Job.  It is a blessing to be able to do so. I’m not the greatest when it comes to literature, however I thank God for teaching me His word.  I assure you... the best understanding of God’s word is when we pray before reading it and mediate it continuously in our lives. 

For me the story of job provides many lessons and the more I read it the more I learn about God’s love, grace, faithfulness, kindness, power, fairness and much more.   The story of Job has kept me for many years. I’ve endured many tragedies in my life, so I thank God for reminding me of Job every time I feel like giving up.  

What I get from reading Job (I’ve been reading this story since I was seven years old, I’m 34 now… at 28 I realized that when I was seven I understood better. I then asked God to help me let go of my own understanding so that I can allow Him, His Holy Spirit to teach me.):

1) That God will sustain us!
2) The world can take everything, but not my soul that belongs to our Almighty God.
3) The Lord wants us to cry-out to Him… And when He answers we are to respect and honor him (submit).
4) His purpose is not ours, lets not question him but worship Him trough the good and bad (You give and take away but I will still worship You Lord!).
5) God will not give us anything we can’t handle. He knows me better than myself. better yet... he knows me better than my mother.
6) We are to pray for and with our friends, family, co-workers, etc. Not judge. Sometimes it is best to just stay in silence and cry with them.
7) God is patient… Not me.
8) God arrives in time!  Not too late. Not too early.

I can go on and on… It is amazing how a verse can have multiple meanings. God’s word is everlasting. :o) It truly is!  I’m just sharing what I learned at a very young age.

May the Lord bless you all - with the love of Christ!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow… I love how you all dissected the story of Job.  It is a blessing to be able to do so. I’m not the greatest when it comes to literature, however I thank God for teaching me His word.  I assure you&#8230; the best understanding of God’s word is when we pray before reading it and mediate it continuously in our lives. </p>
<p>For me the story of job provides many lessons and the more I read it the more I learn about God’s love, grace, faithfulness, kindness, power, fairness and much more.   The story of Job has kept me for many years. I’ve endured many tragedies in my life, so I thank God for reminding me of Job every time I feel like giving up.  </p>
<p>What I get from reading Job (I’ve been reading this story since I was seven years old, I’m 34 now… at 28 I realized that when I was seven I understood better. I then asked God to help me let go of my own understanding so that I can allow Him, His Holy Spirit to teach me.):</p>
<p>1) That God will sustain us!<br />
2) The world can take everything, but not my soul that belongs to our Almighty God.<br />
3) The Lord wants us to cry-out to Him… And when He answers we are to respect and honor him (submit).<br />
4) His purpose is not ours, lets not question him but worship Him trough the good and bad (You give and take away but I will still worship You Lord!).<br />
5) God will not give us anything we can’t handle. He knows me better than myself. better yet&#8230; he knows me better than my mother.<br />
6) We are to pray for and with our friends, family, co-workers, etc. Not judge. Sometimes it is best to just stay in silence and cry with them.<br />
7) God is patient… Not me.<br />
 <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> God arrives in time!  Not too late. Not too early.</p>
<p>I can go on and on… It is amazing how a verse can have multiple meanings. God’s word is everlasting. <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> ) It truly is!  I’m just sharing what I learned at a very young age.</p>
<p>May the Lord bless you all &#8211; with the love of Christ!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for helping me. I lost my son in March and I have struggled with the idea of submission. I guess that is where faith comes in -Hebrews 11:1-&quot;Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Submitting to God&#039;s will is is a tough proposition-even when it doenn&#039;t make sense. Pain is all I see right now except I believe God has something for me to learn and share with others-it sure comes with compassion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for helping me. I lost my son in March and I have struggled with the idea of submission. I guess that is where faith comes in -Hebrews 11:1-&#8221;Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Submitting to God&#8217;s will is is a tough proposition-even when it doenn&#8217;t make sense. Pain is all I see right now except I believe God has something for me to learn and share with others-it sure comes with compassion.</p>
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		<title>By: Why Margaret Barker is Right &#124; Faith-Promoting Rumor</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2009/10/16/the-paradox-of-god-thinking-about-the-story-of-job/#comment-56259</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Margaret Barker is Right &#124; Faith-Promoting Rumor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that asks us to go along in the face of outlandish claims to knowledge and events in order to make a sublime point. Margaret Barker&#8217;s fiction is no different (though far less sublime) for Latter-day Saints [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that asks us to go along in the face of outlandish claims to knowledge and events in order to make a sublime point. Margaret Barker&#8217;s fiction is no different (though far less sublime) for Latter-day Saints [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seraphine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seraphine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this. Thank-you.</description>
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		<title>By: mb</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2009/10/16/the-paradox-of-god-thinking-about-the-story-of-job/#comment-56162</link>
		<dc:creator>mb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word “submit” as it is translated in the KJV New Testament has an interesting meaning, different from the one we give that word in modern usage.  Verses there tell us to &quot;submit&quot; to God and to each other. The word is most commonly a translation of one form or another of  the Greek word “hupotassomai”, which is “to have a voluntary attitude of being responsive to the needs of others&quot;.  In other words, it is coming to a state of being where you choose to listen and respond to the thoughts and understanding of another as much as you do your own.  It’s an action born of unselfish respect and love for other.  Jesus&#039; loving &quot;submission&quot; to the will of the Father throughout his life was the ultimate example of this.

One of the biggest challenges we face when we are hurt and hurting is that of being so overwhelmed by what we are feeling that we are unable to stop our minds from going over and over and over it again and again.  That&#039;s normal.  And also, that constant self-conversation makes hearing and paying kind heed to anyone else’s thoughts, including God’s, very difficult.  I’m sure he understands that and takes that into consideration.  

Personally, it is only after I have been able to get far enough along in a sorrow that I can get my mind to start to shut up a little about the injustices or pain I feel, that I am able to begin to emerge and really hear and engage in hupotassomai to my fellow human beings or to God without filtering everything they say or need through my own personal pain.  It takes some time to get there.  It is a process of emerging and seeing self and others more clearly and lovingly apart from my pain. (Whereas the modern meaning would imply that I was to acquiesce without argument while still fully consumed by my sorrow or pain. Very different.) 

Anyway, understanding the difference between the modern and Greek meanings of the word made a difference for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word “submit” as it is translated in the KJV New Testament has an interesting meaning, different from the one we give that word in modern usage.  Verses there tell us to &#8220;submit&#8221; to God and to each other. The word is most commonly a translation of one form or another of  the Greek word “hupotassomai”, which is “to have a voluntary attitude of being responsive to the needs of others&#8221;.  In other words, it is coming to a state of being where you choose to listen and respond to the thoughts and understanding of another as much as you do your own.  It’s an action born of unselfish respect and love for other.  Jesus&#8217; loving &#8220;submission&#8221; to the will of the Father throughout his life was the ultimate example of this.</p>
<p>One of the biggest challenges we face when we are hurt and hurting is that of being so overwhelmed by what we are feeling that we are unable to stop our minds from going over and over and over it again and again.  That&#8217;s normal.  And also, that constant self-conversation makes hearing and paying kind heed to anyone else’s thoughts, including God’s, very difficult.  I’m sure he understands that and takes that into consideration.  </p>
<p>Personally, it is only after I have been able to get far enough along in a sorrow that I can get my mind to start to shut up a little about the injustices or pain I feel, that I am able to begin to emerge and really hear and engage in hupotassomai to my fellow human beings or to God without filtering everything they say or need through my own personal pain.  It takes some time to get there.  It is a process of emerging and seeing self and others more clearly and lovingly apart from my pain. (Whereas the modern meaning would imply that I was to acquiesce without argument while still fully consumed by my sorrow or pain. Very different.) </p>
<p>Anyway, understanding the difference between the modern and Greek meanings of the word made a difference for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Seraphine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seraphine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a lovely reading of the Book of Job, and oh, how I want to believe it.

Maybe because I haven&#039;t had my &quot;face-to-face&quot; reckoning with God, it&#039;s hard for me to actually accept as the reading that makes the most emotional sense. I&#039;m still in a place of &quot;you should submit even though it&#039;s hard and doesn&#039;t seem to make any sense.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a lovely reading of the Book of Job, and oh, how I want to believe it.</p>
<p>Maybe because I haven&#8217;t had my &#8220;face-to-face&#8221; reckoning with God, it&#8217;s hard for me to actually accept as the reading that makes the most emotional sense. I&#8217;m still in a place of &#8220;you should submit even though it&#8217;s hard and doesn&#8217;t seem to make any sense.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Murdock attended the School of the Prophets in Kirtland Ohio in the winter of 1833.  He wrote about his experiences there which you can find in &quot;An Abridged Record of the Life of John Murdock&quot;, located in the Church Archives.

One passage from that record struck me a few years ago.  He wrote of a vision of the Lord Jesus Christ he experienced there.  I won&#039;t post the whole thing here, though I can send it to you if you wish.  What struck me most was the sentence at the end of the paragraph in which he describes the experience.

&quot;[It] left in my mind the impression of love, for months that I never felt before to that degree.&quot;

God is the master of giving that kind of love; the kind that frees the receiver from tendencies to feel hurt and alone or to respond with anger, deceit or withdrawal and instead encourages warm, loving response.  

I think that when we read God&#039;s response in the book of Job we read the words but we don&#039;t experience the interaction between the two of them.    I don&#039;t see Job&#039;s ultimate response as submission but rather as an increased comprehension of the nature of God that had previously eluded  him and which ultimately leads him not to submission, but rather to reassurance, trust and hope.

At the beginning of the book Job clearly understand&#039;s his own pain, the concept of justice and the unfairness of unmet expectations and what he perceives as God&#039;s atrocious neglect and has certainly spoken at God about it all and seriously sought understanding, which eludes him.  At the end of the book he has fully encountered not only God&#039;s words (which we read) but also God &quot;face to face&quot;.  And that, I think, is what changes Job&#039;s ability to trust him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Murdock attended the School of the Prophets in Kirtland Ohio in the winter of 1833.  He wrote about his experiences there which you can find in &#8220;An Abridged Record of the Life of John Murdock&#8221;, located in the Church Archives.</p>
<p>One passage from that record struck me a few years ago.  He wrote of a vision of the Lord Jesus Christ he experienced there.  I won&#8217;t post the whole thing here, though I can send it to you if you wish.  What struck me most was the sentence at the end of the paragraph in which he describes the experience.</p>
<p>&#8220;[It] left in my mind the impression of love, for months that I never felt before to that degree.&#8221;</p>
<p>God is the master of giving that kind of love; the kind that frees the receiver from tendencies to feel hurt and alone or to respond with anger, deceit or withdrawal and instead encourages warm, loving response.  </p>
<p>I think that when we read God&#8217;s response in the book of Job we read the words but we don&#8217;t experience the interaction between the two of them.    I don&#8217;t see Job&#8217;s ultimate response as submission but rather as an increased comprehension of the nature of God that had previously eluded  him and which ultimately leads him not to submission, but rather to reassurance, trust and hope.</p>
<p>At the beginning of the book Job clearly understand&#8217;s his own pain, the concept of justice and the unfairness of unmet expectations and what he perceives as God&#8217;s atrocious neglect and has certainly spoken at God about it all and seriously sought understanding, which eludes him.  At the end of the book he has fully encountered not only God&#8217;s words (which we read) but also God &#8220;face to face&#8221;.  And that, I think, is what changes Job&#8217;s ability to trust him.</p>
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		<title>By: Seraphine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seraphine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiskilili and Brian J, I think I&#039;m with K on the irrationality of God&#039;s response. And when I read the Book of Job, I pretty much ignore the prologue and epilogue.

Tea, interesting idea.

kaylana, I can definitely empathize with how you feel. The only reason I can consider trusting God again is because of how many blessings He&#039;s thrown at me recently, but even then, I still struggle with the trusting most days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiskilili and Brian J, I think I&#8217;m with K on the irrationality of God&#8217;s response. And when I read the Book of Job, I pretty much ignore the prologue and epilogue.</p>
<p>Tea, interesting idea.</p>
<p>kaylana, I can definitely empathize with how you feel. The only reason I can consider trusting God again is because of how many blessings He&#8217;s thrown at me recently, but even then, I still struggle with the trusting most days.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiskilili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiskilili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re ahead of me--I don&#039;t believe it logically or emotionally. The thought of &quot;submitting&quot; makes my skin crawl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re ahead of me&#8211;I don&#8217;t believe it logically or emotionally. The thought of &#8220;submitting&#8221; makes my skin crawl.</p>
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