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		<title>By: Ziff</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2009/06/29/god-is-watching-us-can-we-stop-him/#comment-53891</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding your last paragraph, alea, if you haven&#039;t been there already, you might enjoy New Cool Thang. Several of the bloggers there have discussed the issue of the foreknowledge of God &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/category/theology/foreknowledge/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at great length&lt;/a&gt;, and from your comment, I think you might like where they go with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your last paragraph, alea, if you haven&#8217;t been there already, you might enjoy New Cool Thang. Several of the bloggers there have discussed the issue of the foreknowledge of God <a href="http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/category/theology/foreknowledge/" rel="nofollow">at great length</a>, and from your comment, I think you might like where they go with it.</p>
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		<title>By: alea</title>
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		<dc:creator>alea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Starfoxy about the sorting judgment out for ourselves. I&#039;m reminded of that quote from Joseph about how if we don&#039;t accuse each other, God won&#039;t accuse us, and if we don&#039;t have an accuser, we&#039;ll make it to heaven. If that&#039;s the case, judgment really has nothing to do with the omniscience of God (except for when he needs to explain to the Prodigal&#039;s brother about how that wastrel got into heaven). And, therefore, his watching us is more for reasons of concern and love and not to keep us in line.

I think this raises another, related question about God&#039;s omniscience. If he already knows everything, then it doesn&#039;t matter if he&#039;s watching us, he knows what we&#039;re going to do. Personally, I don&#039;t buy that, since I think we&#039;re constantly astounding God (by the things we do right and inventive ways we find to sin) and the whole &quot;He knows us so well that he knows precisely what we&#039;ll do even if it hasn&#039;t happened yet&quot; argument doesn&#039;t really make sense to me, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Starfoxy about the sorting judgment out for ourselves. I&#8217;m reminded of that quote from Joseph about how if we don&#8217;t accuse each other, God won&#8217;t accuse us, and if we don&#8217;t have an accuser, we&#8217;ll make it to heaven. If that&#8217;s the case, judgment really has nothing to do with the omniscience of God (except for when he needs to explain to the Prodigal&#8217;s brother about how that wastrel got into heaven). And, therefore, his watching us is more for reasons of concern and love and not to keep us in line.</p>
<p>I think this raises another, related question about God&#8217;s omniscience. If he already knows everything, then it doesn&#8217;t matter if he&#8217;s watching us, he knows what we&#8217;re going to do. Personally, I don&#8217;t buy that, since I think we&#8217;re constantly astounding God (by the things we do right and inventive ways we find to sin) and the whole &#8220;He knows us so well that he knows precisely what we&#8217;ll do even if it hasn&#8217;t happened yet&#8221; argument doesn&#8217;t really make sense to me, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A long time ago there was a Hi &amp; Lois cartoon where the little boy--Ditto, I think his name is--asks his dad if it&#039;s true that God is always watching over us, and Hi says, &quot;Yes, I suppose He does.&quot;  Then Ditto says, &quot;Why would God want to watch me put on my socks?&quot;  

I think of God watching me like I watch over my kids sometimes--they fall down and start crying and I say, &quot;You&#039;re okay&quot; and go back to what I was doing.  

(Of course, if the Savior stood beside me, I would probably walk over to the kid and inform them they were okay instead of just yelling it from across the room or the playground or whatever.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A long time ago there was a Hi &amp; Lois cartoon where the little boy&#8211;Ditto, I think his name is&#8211;asks his dad if it&#8217;s true that God is always watching over us, and Hi says, &#8220;Yes, I suppose He does.&#8221;  Then Ditto says, &#8220;Why would God want to watch me put on my socks?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I think of God watching me like I watch over my kids sometimes&#8211;they fall down and start crying and I say, &#8220;You&#8217;re okay&#8221; and go back to what I was doing.  </p>
<p>(Of course, if the Savior stood beside me, I would probably walk over to the kid and inform them they were okay instead of just yelling it from across the room or the playground or whatever.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes, Ann!  I think I would be saying a few words myself if that happened to me.  Maybe there&#039;s a kind of 3-second-rule in such situations, in which whatever you say in the three seconds (or perhaps minutes) following a discovery like that, it doesn&#039;t get entered in to the divine tally sheet.

LOL, Jack.  You mean to tell me that God has superpowers?  Now I&#039;m really in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, Ann!  I think I would be saying a few words myself if that happened to me.  Maybe there&#8217;s a kind of 3-second-rule in such situations, in which whatever you say in the three seconds (or perhaps minutes) following a discovery like that, it doesn&#8217;t get entered in to the divine tally sheet.</p>
<p>LOL, Jack.  You mean to tell me that God has superpowers?  Now I&#8217;m really in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget Jack Meyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget Jack Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jacob J&lt;/strong&gt; ~ &lt;em&gt;This is why I wear shorts in the shower.&lt;/em&gt;

It doesn&#039;t help, Jacob. God has a pair of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40895&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jacob J</strong> ~ <em>This is why I wear shorts in the shower.</em></p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t help, Jacob. God has a pair of <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40895" rel="nofollow">these</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought about this post yesterday, standing in the parking lot the airport in Gulfport, MS.  I was thirty-five miles from home.  I had just arrived from Columbus, Ohio, where I was fairly certain I had left my car keys.  I said bad words.  Several.  OK, many.  

I called my father, who said my keys were not where I would have left them.  I remembered I had put the keys in my laptop backpack, where they would be out of the way but I&#039;d be certain to remember them.  And there they were.

All I could think was, &quot;Dude, sorry.  I hope you didn&#039;t hear that.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about this post yesterday, standing in the parking lot the airport in Gulfport, MS.  I was thirty-five miles from home.  I had just arrived from Columbus, Ohio, where I was fairly certain I had left my car keys.  I said bad words.  Several.  OK, many.  </p>
<p>I called my father, who said my keys were not where I would have left them.  I remembered I had put the keys in my laptop backpack, where they would be out of the way but I&#8217;d be certain to remember them.  And there they were.</p>
<p>All I could think was, &#8220;Dude, sorry.  I hope you didn&#8217;t hear that.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardis, I&#039;ve wondered about that question--to what extent is the desire for privacy a modern phenomenon?  It seems to me that our situation might be unusual in that privacy is not only so heavily valued, but so much of an option. And the very concept, I&#039;m thinking, rests on some kind of a belief in a hidden, inward self.  But I don&#039;t know much about this, so I&#039;m just speculating. 

Starfoxy, that&#039;s a really interesting question about having the capability to be omniscient, versus actually putting that into practice.  Which is maybe somewhat related to what Th. is saying about simply being conscious of things, versus something more active.  This is making me think more about what it means to be aware of something on some level, as opposed to actively paying attention to it, and where we see God&#039;s observation of the universe fitting into that.

Smallaxe, I hadn&#039;t thought of that angle.  I like the post you linked--I&#039;m also quite intrigued by the role of memory and forgetting in faith.  And I can see how that might tie into this question--the famous &quot;forget yourself and get to work,&quot; as you said, doesn&#039;t mean literally forget that you exist, but pay attention to something different.

Stephen and Ziff, thanks for the laugh--that would be great if at the Last Judgment God was saying things like, &quot;you made the terrestrial kingdom! (p &lt; .01)&quot; or &quot;you&#039;re on your way to hell! (p &lt; .00001),&quot; so that we would at least know the probability that his judgment was accurate. 

ed42, all I can say is that I haven&#039;t yet made up my mind about the existence of Santa, or I might be blogging about his omniscience problem (does he really know if I&#039;ve been naughty or nice, and just how is he defining those terms, anyway?) 

Chelsea, you win the &quot;name that movie&quot; prize!  I wouldn&#039;t have gotten that one.

Jacob J, I&#039;m glad to hear that you&#039;re taking this modesty thing seriously, and not letting the devil convince you that there are situations when you can relax your standards.

Thinking about this more, I&#039;m wondering to what extent this idea is actually all that motivating.  I&#039;m remembering that as a kid, I figured that God was watching me carefully take the vegetables off my plate and hide them.  But that didn&#039;t worry me too much, just so long as he didn&#039;t rat me out to my parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, I&#8217;ve wondered about that question&#8211;to what extent is the desire for privacy a modern phenomenon?  It seems to me that our situation might be unusual in that privacy is not only so heavily valued, but so much of an option. And the very concept, I&#8217;m thinking, rests on some kind of a belief in a hidden, inward self.  But I don&#8217;t know much about this, so I&#8217;m just speculating. </p>
<p>Starfoxy, that&#8217;s a really interesting question about having the capability to be omniscient, versus actually putting that into practice.  Which is maybe somewhat related to what Th. is saying about simply being conscious of things, versus something more active.  This is making me think more about what it means to be aware of something on some level, as opposed to actively paying attention to it, and where we see God&#8217;s observation of the universe fitting into that.</p>
<p>Smallaxe, I hadn&#8217;t thought of that angle.  I like the post you linked&#8211;I&#8217;m also quite intrigued by the role of memory and forgetting in faith.  And I can see how that might tie into this question&#8211;the famous &#8220;forget yourself and get to work,&#8221; as you said, doesn&#8217;t mean literally forget that you exist, but pay attention to something different.</p>
<p>Stephen and Ziff, thanks for the laugh&#8211;that would be great if at the Last Judgment God was saying things like, &#8220;you made the terrestrial kingdom! (p < .01)&#8221; or &#8220;you&#8217;re on your way to hell! (p < .00001),&#8221; so that we would at least know the probability that his judgment was accurate. </p>
<p>ed42, all I can say is that I haven&#8217;t yet made up my mind about the existence of Santa, or I might be blogging about his omniscience problem (does he really know if I&#8217;ve been naughty or nice, and just how is he defining those terms, anyway?) </p>
<p>Chelsea, you win the &#8220;name that movie&#8221; prize!  I wouldn&#8217;t have gotten that one.</p>
<p>Jacob J, I&#8217;m glad to hear that you&#8217;re taking this modesty thing seriously, and not letting the devil convince you that there are situations when you can relax your standards.</p>
<p>Thinking about this more, I&#8217;m wondering to what extent this idea is actually all that motivating.  I&#8217;m remembering that as a kid, I figured that God was watching me carefully take the vegetables off my plate and hide them.  But that didn&#8217;t worry me too much, just so long as he didn&#8217;t rat me out to my parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I wear shorts in the shower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I wear shorts in the shower.</p>
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		<title>By: Chelsea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chelsea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessawhy (3) Best in Show!  I love that movie. :D

Th. (8) You said exactly what I was going to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessawhy (3) Best in Show!  I love that movie. <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Th. (8) You said exactly what I was going to say.</p>
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		<title>By: ed42</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or it could be that &quot;God knows&quot; is a myth made up by parents and priests and preserved to induce guilt and &#039;do things my way&#039;.  

We sure do screw up our children&#039;s minds: &quot;Santa knows if you have been naughty or nice&quot;, &quot;God is watching you&quot;.  Hmm, the child thinks Santa must be God.  &quot;Oh, BTW child, Santa isn&#039;t real&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or it could be that &#8220;God knows&#8221; is a myth made up by parents and priests and preserved to induce guilt and &#8216;do things my way&#8217;.  </p>
<p>We sure do screw up our children&#8217;s minds: &#8220;Santa knows if you have been naughty or nice&#8221;, &#8220;God is watching you&#8221;.  Hmm, the child thinks Santa must be God.  &#8220;Oh, BTW child, Santa isn&#8217;t real&#8221;.</p>
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