Comments on: More Like Three Wise Guys, I’d Say http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/ Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:47:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Eddie http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50971 Eddie Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:24:56 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50971 As someone raised Catholic, I have fond memories of our weekly Friday night dinner at the local pizza parlor. During lent, it was always cheese pizza. As someone raised Catholic, I have fond memories of our weekly Friday night dinner at the local pizza parlor. During lent, it was always cheese pizza.

]]> By: Ray http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50887 Ray Sat, 27 Dec 2008 04:23:09 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50887 #21 - Looks like I should have added a smiley face. I will try to make up for it now. :) #21 – Looks like I should have added a smiley face. I will try to make up for it now.

:)

]]> By: Mary Magdalene http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50884 Mary Magdalene Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:41:19 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50884 Ray - fish on friday is the lenten season :) After Vatican Council II, fish on every friday was changed to fish on fridays during lent only. that was also when women were no longer required to cover their heads while in church (there went the haberdashery industry) and Post-VC II - nuns were no longer required to cast their eyes down while talking with a priest - they could look them eye to eye. it's a great day - make it a good one. Ray – fish on friday is the lenten season :)

After Vatican Council II, fish on every friday was changed to fish on fridays during lent only. that was also when women were no longer required to cover their heads while in church (there went the haberdashery industry) and Post-VC II – nuns were no longer required to cast their eyes down while talking with a priest – they could look them eye to eye.

it’s a great day – make it a good one.

]]> By: Ray http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50881 Ray Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:51:40 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50881 But only on Friday, of course. But only on Friday, of course.

]]> By: Eddie http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50878 Eddie Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:44:06 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50878 I just received a Christmas letter from a friend that included a scripture reference (that I have not looked up) which apparently shows that the wise men didn't meet Jesus until he was a toddler. Seriously, folks, at Christmas time I have more important fish to fry. I just received a Christmas letter from a friend that included a scripture reference (that I have not looked up) which apparently shows that the wise men didn’t meet Jesus until he was a toddler.

Seriously, folks, at Christmas time I have more important fish to fry.

]]> By: Lynnette http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50877 Lynnette Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:02:28 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50877 Fun post! I’ve found it a continuing challenge to tease out just what beliefs are peculiar to Latter-day Saints, and which ones are common in the larger Christian world, and I still sometimes get it wrong. I remember once a few years ago, saying something to a friend about how LDS have a scripture that says “many are called, but few are chosen,” thinking of the passage in D&C 121. He looked at me strangely and said umm yes, we have that scripture too; it’s in the Bible. Oh, yeah. When I was a kid, I thought that Mormons were the only ones who understood themselves as being personally guided by the Holy Ghost. Conversely, for the longest time I thought that the doctrine of the premortal life came straight from the Bible (I mean the doctrine in its full-blown form; I realize there are biblical passages which are often interpreted by LDS as alluding to it), and was standard Christian teaching. I think this impression may have come from the fact that my Old Testament stories picture book included an introductory chapter on the pre-existence. Fun post! I’ve found it a continuing challenge to tease out just what beliefs are peculiar to Latter-day Saints, and which ones are common in the larger Christian world, and I still sometimes get it wrong. I remember once a few years ago, saying something to a friend about how LDS have a scripture that says “many are called, but few are chosen,” thinking of the passage in D&C 121. He looked at me strangely and said umm yes, we have that scripture too; it’s in the Bible. Oh, yeah.

When I was a kid, I thought that Mormons were the only ones who understood themselves as being personally guided by the Holy Ghost. Conversely, for the longest time I thought that the doctrine of the premortal life came straight from the Bible (I mean the doctrine in its full-blown form; I realize there are biblical passages which are often interpreted by LDS as alluding to it), and was standard Christian teaching. I think this impression may have come from the fact that my Old Testament stories picture book included an introductory chapter on the pre-existence.

]]> By: Left Field http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50873 Left Field Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:12:48 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50873 My son came home from primary this week with an angel he had made from paper made into a conical shape. Taped to the angel's back was a set of wings resembling those of a butterfly. We put it on top of our small tabletop Christmas tree. My son came home from primary this week with an angel he had made from paper made into a conical shape. Taped to the angel’s back was a set of wings resembling those of a butterfly. We put it on top of our small tabletop Christmas tree.

]]> By: Rameumptom http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50867 Rameumptom Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:12:18 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50867 While I do not believe they literally have wings, I think that we sometimes swat at gnats and swallow camels in the Church. Ardis' example at Keepapitchinin site is a good example. Personally, I think we lose out on a lot of symbolism when we outright reject everything due to literalism. Wings denote power, movement, abilities that mortals do not have. Whether angels literally have them or not, is immaterial. What is important is what they signify. For example, an ancient Hebrew concept is when the feet are covered, it really means the loins. So, when an angel's feet are covered with wings, it is the loins. When Ruth lays at Boaz' feet..., well, you get the idea. While I do not believe they literally have wings, I think that we sometimes swat at gnats and swallow camels in the Church. Ardis’ example at Keepapitchinin site is a good example.
Personally, I think we lose out on a lot of symbolism when we outright reject everything due to literalism. Wings denote power, movement, abilities that mortals do not have. Whether angels literally have them or not, is immaterial. What is important is what they signify.
For example, an ancient Hebrew concept is when the feet are covered, it really means the loins. So, when an angel’s feet are covered with wings, it is the loins. When Ruth lays at Boaz’ feet…, well, you get the idea.

]]> By: Minerva http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50866 Minerva Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:42:21 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50866 <blockquote>Somebody felt it was necessary to point out to everybody withing earshot that winged angels are HERETICAL and that we DO NOT believe in them. Sigh. </blockquote> I love these stories. Why do people get so bunged up about this stuff? I am the primary chorister and I am a terrible artist. I was trying to draw a convincing manger to illustrate the Christ Child as a prompt for a particular song. I couldn't do it, so I just put a halo around the baby's head hoping this would convey holiness and thus that this was baby Jesus. I thought some people in the primary leadership might take issue with it. No one said anything, but I saw a few tense adult faces when I presented the picture and one of the kids asked me what that was around the baby's head.

Somebody felt it was necessary to point out to everybody withing earshot that winged angels are HERETICAL and that we DO NOT believe in them. Sigh.

I love these stories. Why do people get so bunged up about this stuff? I am the primary chorister and I am a terrible artist. I was trying to draw a convincing manger to illustrate the Christ Child as a prompt for a particular song. I couldn’t do it, so I just put a halo around the baby’s head hoping this would convey holiness and thus that this was baby Jesus. I thought some people in the primary leadership might take issue with it. No one said anything, but I saw a few tense adult faces when I presented the picture and one of the kids asked me what that was around the baby’s head.

]]> By: KingOfTexas http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50863 KingOfTexas Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:51:57 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/21/more-like-three-wise-guys-id-say/#comment-50863 You guys aren't gona tell me there is no santa? You guys aren’t gona tell me there is no santa?

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