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	<title>Comments on: When Did Chimpanzees Become Our Gods?</title>
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		<title>By: djinn</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/14/when-did-chimpanzees-become-our-gods/#comment-51940</link>
		<dc:creator>djinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kool!!!  Did you notice that male chimps prefer older female chimps?  Yeah; I suspect this is a byproduct of menopause--Female chimps don&#039;t have it, so they remain fertile until close to death; us, not so much.  It makes sense that men (homo sapiens) that prefer fertile females would leave more offspring.  Dang dang dang dang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kool!!!  Did you notice that male chimps prefer older female chimps?  Yeah; I suspect this is a byproduct of menopause&#8211;Female chimps don&#8217;t have it, so they remain fertile until close to death; us, not so much.  It makes sense that men (homo sapiens) that prefer fertile females would leave more offspring.  Dang dang dang dang.</p>
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		<title>By: cchrissyy</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/14/when-did-chimpanzees-become-our-gods/#comment-51682</link>
		<dc:creator>cchrissyy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saw this today for you  :)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://amananta.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/enough-with-the-evolutionary-psychology-bullshit-already/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
Enough with the Evolutionary Psychology BS Already&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saw this today for you  <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://amananta.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/enough-with-the-evolutionary-psychology-bullshit-already/" rel="nofollow"><br />
Enough with the Evolutionary Psychology BS Already</a></p>
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		<title>By: djinn</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/14/when-did-chimpanzees-become-our-gods/#comment-50744</link>
		<dc:creator>djinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t cite a study, (not that I&#039;ve been citing anything but memory--darn monograph firewalls) but I bet those domestic boy chimps have plenty of offspring.  Newsweek needs to find an actual Evolutionary Psychologist to write for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t cite a study, (not that I&#8217;ve been citing anything but memory&#8211;darn monograph firewalls) but I bet those domestic boy chimps have plenty of offspring.  Newsweek needs to find an actual Evolutionary Psychologist to write for it.</p>
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		<title>By: djinn</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/14/when-did-chimpanzees-become-our-gods/#comment-50743</link>
		<dc:creator>djinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a study which tested for stress hormones in male chimps compared to their status in the tribe.  The higher ranking the chimp, the fewer stress hormones--happiness?  The chimps with the most stress were the young bucks at the bottom of the dominance hierarchy (misery?), but this was not universal.  

Some lower status chimps had developed ways to alleviate the stress, mostly by opting out of the dominance hierarchy altogether, spending time with baby chimps, hanging out with their moms, etc.  Turns out domesticity is another road to happiness for MALE chimps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a study which tested for stress hormones in male chimps compared to their status in the tribe.  The higher ranking the chimp, the fewer stress hormones&#8211;happiness?  The chimps with the most stress were the young bucks at the bottom of the dominance hierarchy (misery?), but this was not universal.  </p>
<p>Some lower status chimps had developed ways to alleviate the stress, mostly by opting out of the dominance hierarchy altogether, spending time with baby chimps, hanging out with their moms, etc.  Turns out domesticity is another road to happiness for MALE chimps.</p>
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		<title>By: djinn</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/12/14/when-did-chimpanzees-become-our-gods/#comment-50742</link>
		<dc:creator>djinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beatrice, my understanding of the current state of Primatology is that when baby chimps started being genetically tested to find out their actual fathers, quite often, and to the surprise of the researchers, the father turned out to be either an unknown chimp or one of the other chimps in the tribe.  

It seems when the alpha male was busy fighting usurpers to his throne, the chimp females bolted off into the bushes with the the chimp males they really liked.  This is also true of deer and elephant seals.  And humans.  (Think beautiful woman, rich husband, pool boy.)

 Which is why the supposed evolutionary psychologist quoted above is no such animal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beatrice, my understanding of the current state of Primatology is that when baby chimps started being genetically tested to find out their actual fathers, quite often, and to the surprise of the researchers, the father turned out to be either an unknown chimp or one of the other chimps in the tribe.  </p>
<p>It seems when the alpha male was busy fighting usurpers to his throne, the chimp females bolted off into the bushes with the the chimp males they really liked.  This is also true of deer and elephant seals.  And humans.  (Think beautiful woman, rich husband, pool boy.)</p>
<p> Which is why the supposed evolutionary psychologist quoted above is no such animal.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiskilili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiskilili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s another great point, Beatrice. He didn&#039;t explain the relationship he sees between happiness and evolutionary pressures. And even if he believes there&#039;s a universal human culture, he still has to demonstrate that that culture is &quot;good,&quot; or that it maximizes happiness for the most people, or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s another great point, Beatrice. He didn&#8217;t explain the relationship he sees between happiness and evolutionary pressures. And even if he believes there&#8217;s a universal human culture, he still has to demonstrate that that culture is &#8220;good,&#8221; or that it maximizes happiness for the most people, or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Beatrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beatrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A better explication of the relationship between the descriptive and the prescriptive. Evolutionary theory might provide us with (generally equivocal) data about our tendencies and dispositions, but it does not thereby provide us directly with moral imperatives. Considerably more theoretical elaboration is needed to get from the point “apes do x” to the conclusion “so should we.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that this is a good point.  My understanding is that certain behaviors in non-human primates lead to certain genes being pasted down.  For example, male primates who have power and status in their group are more likely to have their genes passed down and female primates who have a lot of offspring are more likely to have their genes passed down.  However, I don&#039;t see how this can be linked to &lt;em&gt;happiness&lt;/em&gt;.  Sure, male primates who have more status are probably more likely to be healthy, have better food etc.  But it is quite a stretch to think that this has anything to do with a satisfaction with life in humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A better explication of the relationship between the descriptive and the prescriptive. Evolutionary theory might provide us with (generally equivocal) data about our tendencies and dispositions, but it does not thereby provide us directly with moral imperatives. Considerably more theoretical elaboration is needed to get from the point “apes do x” to the conclusion “so should we.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that this is a good point.  My understanding is that certain behaviors in non-human primates lead to certain genes being pasted down.  For example, male primates who have power and status in their group are more likely to have their genes passed down and female primates who have a lot of offspring are more likely to have their genes passed down.  However, I don&#8217;t see how this can be linked to <em>happiness</em>.  Sure, male primates who have more status are probably more likely to be healthy, have better food etc.  But it is quite a stretch to think that this has anything to do with a satisfaction with life in humans.</p>
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		<title>By: actualthoughanonlesbian</title>
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		<dc:creator>actualthoughanonlesbian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16: sure. but whether or not someone can offer a decent justification for a view is a pretty good index of whether or not it admits of a decent justification. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16: sure. but whether or not someone can offer a decent justification for a view is a pretty good index of whether or not it admits of a decent justification. <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Geoff J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>niiice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>niiice.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiskilili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiskilili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, well, that argument may be a bit of a straw monkey. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well, that argument may be a bit of a straw monkey. <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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