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		<title>By: 2008 Niblets: Rock the Vote Here! at Mormon Matters</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/11/15/inconclusive-musings-on-gays-in-eternity/#comment-53878</link>
		<dc:creator>2008 Niblets: Rock the Vote Here! at Mormon Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kiskilili’s “Inconclusive musings on gays in eternity” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Last Chance for Niblet Nominations at Mormon Matters</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/11/15/inconclusive-musings-on-gays-in-eternity/#comment-53816</link>
		<dc:creator>Last Chance for Niblet Nominations at Mormon Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There Another Approach” Kiskilili’s “Fathers are Irreplaceable” Kiskilili&#8217;s &#8220;Inconclusive musings on gays in eternity&#8221; LDS Philosophers two conflicting Paradigms series Lynnette&#8217;s &#8220;Repentance as a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There Another Approach” Kiskilili’s “Fathers are Irreplaceable” Kiskilili&#8217;s &#8220;Inconclusive musings on gays in eternity&#8221; LDS Philosophers two conflicting Paradigms series Lynnette&#8217;s &#8220;Repentance as a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: annegb</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/11/15/inconclusive-musings-on-gays-in-eternity/#comment-53588</link>
		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly the kind of musing I muse.  I can&#039;t figure it out.</description>
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		<title>By: Kiskilili</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/11/15/inconclusive-musings-on-gays-in-eternity/#comment-53555</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiskilili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 20:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess since I never received the memo from God outlining how marriage works in the hereafter (have we satisfactorily resolved how many Heavenly Mothers there are and what they&#039;re up to?), I think much of the &quot;doctrine&quot; surrounding the status of gays in eternity is equally speculative, extrapolating from the information we do have and our assumptions. So I have no problem engaging in my own speculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess since I never received the memo from God outlining how marriage works in the hereafter (have we satisfactorily resolved how many Heavenly Mothers there are and what they&#8217;re up to?), I think much of the &#8220;doctrine&#8221; surrounding the status of gays in eternity is equally speculative, extrapolating from the information we do have and our assumptions. So I have no problem engaging in my own speculations.</p>
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		<title>By: N G Laing</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/11/15/inconclusive-musings-on-gays-in-eternity/#comment-53549</link>
		<dc:creator>N G Laing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 03:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry , this debater didn&#039;t mean to interrupt your speculative revere for political correctness. BY by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry , this debater didn&#8217;t mean to interrupt your speculative revere for political correctness. BY by.</p>
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		<title>By: Ziff</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/11/15/inconclusive-musings-on-gays-in-eternity/#comment-53548</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 02:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N.G. Laing, did you not read the first paragraph of the post?

&lt;em&gt;For those who find theological speculation distasteful, please, stop reading immediately.&lt;/em&gt;

Since you&#039;re clearly sure you have all the answers, might I suggest you might be happier &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nothingwavering.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;somewhere else&lt;/a&gt; rather than trolling through our little blog of speculation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N.G. Laing, did you not read the first paragraph of the post?</p>
<p><em>For those who find theological speculation distasteful, please, stop reading immediately.</em></p>
<p>Since you&#8217;re clearly sure you have all the answers, might I suggest you might be happier <a href="http://www.nothingwavering.org/" rel="nofollow">somewhere else</a> rather than trolling through our little blog of speculation?</p>
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		<title>By: N G Laing</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/11/15/inconclusive-musings-on-gays-in-eternity/#comment-53547</link>
		<dc:creator>N G Laing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 02:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off Kiskilili, I did not say that hookers would not get in , I said that they would not get in under their present condition. A repentance of such a life is in order to qualify for entrance and as they conform to Celestial standard they then qualify for entrance. Jesus came to save us FROM our sins , not IN our sins. 

The main topic of the post I believe was that should gays be allowed to marry each other and still enter into the Celestial Kingdom as a gay couple. The answer is simple and straight forward by God himself, yet you continue to muse on it. Gay&#039;s who don&#039;t conform to Celestial law remain IN their sin and do not enter.  God has set the Celestial  rules for his own purpose and in order to enter in we must obey those Celestial rules . 

The trouble with todays world is that the politically correct can&#039;t swallow Gods decision, which he alone is responsible for and therefore wish to remake God and his rules to fit their agenda, or idea of how things should be, as they  see only through the glass darkly, while  God sees through the glass clearly, seeing what we do not  see. 

One thing I will say about God which is troubling to many equality for all seeking people, is that God is the greatest class and people divider in the worlds history. He divided the classes at the tower of babel through the giving of different languages,  breaking the people up into different groups, language creating a barrier between the people, this all because of their wickedness. Many of our skin colors, which divide the people of the world were given by God according to scripture. 

In the next life Jesus said there are many mansions and that he would go to prepare a place for us according to our level of conformity to his law and it is conformity to his law that makes us all equal. Otherwise it is our own wickedness that brings about  Gods class barriers, because he has said no unclean thing can dwell with him. The Celestial, the Terrestrial, the Telestial, are all class barrier kingdoms based on merit, though we may consider it unfair during our earthly view.  Those who don&#039;t make the Celestial will be SERVANTS of those who are worthy of a far more exceeding weight of glory. Now there&#039;s a class distinction right there, servants versus those who aren&#039;t.

. Gay marriage is not in the same class as heterosexual marriage because God himself has said so and is not approved by him. What higher authority do you need. Barack Obamas authority doesn&#039;t go high enough, neither does the Supreme Court, neither does the World Court. God has considered gay marriage inferior to straight marriage, his view being the Supreme View. Earthly straight marriage is considered inferior to Temple marriage in God&#039;s eyes. The scriptures and the Prophets are before you, stop musing and start reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off Kiskilili, I did not say that hookers would not get in , I said that they would not get in under their present condition. A repentance of such a life is in order to qualify for entrance and as they conform to Celestial standard they then qualify for entrance. Jesus came to save us FROM our sins , not IN our sins. </p>
<p>The main topic of the post I believe was that should gays be allowed to marry each other and still enter into the Celestial Kingdom as a gay couple. The answer is simple and straight forward by God himself, yet you continue to muse on it. Gay&#8217;s who don&#8217;t conform to Celestial law remain IN their sin and do not enter.  God has set the Celestial  rules for his own purpose and in order to enter in we must obey those Celestial rules . </p>
<p>The trouble with todays world is that the politically correct can&#8217;t swallow Gods decision, which he alone is responsible for and therefore wish to remake God and his rules to fit their agenda, or idea of how things should be, as they  see only through the glass darkly, while  God sees through the glass clearly, seeing what we do not  see. </p>
<p>One thing I will say about God which is troubling to many equality for all seeking people, is that God is the greatest class and people divider in the worlds history. He divided the classes at the tower of babel through the giving of different languages,  breaking the people up into different groups, language creating a barrier between the people, this all because of their wickedness. Many of our skin colors, which divide the people of the world were given by God according to scripture. </p>
<p>In the next life Jesus said there are many mansions and that he would go to prepare a place for us according to our level of conformity to his law and it is conformity to his law that makes us all equal. Otherwise it is our own wickedness that brings about  Gods class barriers, because he has said no unclean thing can dwell with him. The Celestial, the Terrestrial, the Telestial, are all class barrier kingdoms based on merit, though we may consider it unfair during our earthly view.  Those who don&#8217;t make the Celestial will be SERVANTS of those who are worthy of a far more exceeding weight of glory. Now there&#8217;s a class distinction right there, servants versus those who aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>. Gay marriage is not in the same class as heterosexual marriage because God himself has said so and is not approved by him. What higher authority do you need. Barack Obamas authority doesn&#8217;t go high enough, neither does the Supreme Court, neither does the World Court. God has considered gay marriage inferior to straight marriage, his view being the Supreme View. Earthly straight marriage is considered inferior to Temple marriage in God&#8217;s eyes. The scriptures and the Prophets are before you, stop musing and start reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiskilili</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/11/15/inconclusive-musings-on-gays-in-eternity/#comment-53538</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiskilili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 18:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is an interesting and potentially helpful idea, Jon Miranda. I guess I wonder, though, whether gays will necessarily want &quot;full blessings&quot; if it entails a fundamental shift in identity, in who they feel they are at their core. It&#039;s an open question.

N. G. Laing, based on the New Testament, I think Jesus would let the hookers in. The murderers will be out of a job in the immortal realm, and the crackheads will surely be in a different environment--can celestial bodies get high? The rapists are a big problem, though. (I&#039;m a little afraid to ask what this has to do with the post, so let&#039;s just say this conversation is 100% unrelated to the topic at hand.)

When it comes to Heavenly Mother, I&#039;m wondering why it&#039;s even Heavenly Father&#039;s choice what she does, and not her own. And it&#039;s not a matter of shielding your wife from your coworkers, but &lt;em&gt;from your own children&lt;/em&gt;. Would we find it acceptable in the Church if a mother abandoned her children--cut off all contact from them completely--because she was afraid they might insult her? Do you deny your children the opportunity to interact with their mother lest they&#039;re not sufficiently respectful? This explanation sounds absurd to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is an interesting and potentially helpful idea, Jon Miranda. I guess I wonder, though, whether gays will necessarily want &#8220;full blessings&#8221; if it entails a fundamental shift in identity, in who they feel they are at their core. It&#8217;s an open question.</p>
<p>N. G. Laing, based on the New Testament, I think Jesus would let the hookers in. The murderers will be out of a job in the immortal realm, and the crackheads will surely be in a different environment&#8211;can celestial bodies get high? The rapists are a big problem, though. (I&#8217;m a little afraid to ask what this has to do with the post, so let&#8217;s just say this conversation is 100% unrelated to the topic at hand.)</p>
<p>When it comes to Heavenly Mother, I&#8217;m wondering why it&#8217;s even Heavenly Father&#8217;s choice what she does, and not her own. And it&#8217;s not a matter of shielding your wife from your coworkers, but <em>from your own children</em>. Would we find it acceptable in the Church if a mother abandoned her children&#8211;cut off all contact from them completely&#8211;because she was afraid they might insult her? Do you deny your children the opportunity to interact with their mother lest they&#8217;re not sufficiently respectful? This explanation sounds absurd to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 21:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the life before</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 21:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the pamphlet God loveth his Children, the First Presidency states that same sex attraction was not present on the life before and will not be present after this life.  Another school of that out there is that people are not born gay and that same sex attraction can be diminshed or eliminated.  Also, people who have same sex attraction and remain faithful and do no act on their desires will achieve full blessings in the eternities.
www.evergreeninternational.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the pamphlet God loveth his Children, the First Presidency states that same sex attraction was not present on the life before and will not be present after this life.  Another school of that out there is that people are not born gay and that same sex attraction can be diminshed or eliminated.  Also, people who have same sex attraction and remain faithful and do no act on their desires will achieve full blessings in the eternities.<br />
<a href="http://www.evergreeninternational.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.evergreeninternational.org</a></p>
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