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	<title>Comments on: Stuffed Animals and the Transmigration of Souls</title>
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		<title>By: Lynnette</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/06/03/stuffed-animals-and-the-transmigration-of-souls/#comment-48898</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Jacob.  I agree with you, I think, about judgment dealing with who we are, as opposed to being an accounting of every single thing we&#039;ve done.

Ray, yeah, I&#039;m quite murky about this notion of intelligences&quot; and exactly what they consist of.

fMhLisa, that&#039;s great!  I&#039;m quite amused to hear that I&#039;m not the only one to have considered a stuffed animal transmigration--though I&#039;m not surprised it was unsuccessful.

Fideline, ha!  I&#039;d forgotten about that.  (I suppose it&#039;s good they didn&#039;t try to charge Juliana rent!)  And I&#039;m also interested in that relationship between the self and social roles.  Are we ever not playing a role, I wonder?  What would it mean to talk about a self that&#039;s distinct from its roles?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Jacob.  I agree with you, I think, about judgment dealing with who we are, as opposed to being an accounting of every single thing we&#8217;ve done.</p>
<p>Ray, yeah, I&#8217;m quite murky about this notion of intelligences&#8221; and exactly what they consist of.</p>
<p>fMhLisa, that&#8217;s great!  I&#8217;m quite amused to hear that I&#8217;m not the only one to have considered a stuffed animal transmigration&#8211;though I&#8217;m not surprised it was unsuccessful.</p>
<p>Fideline, ha!  I&#8217;d forgotten about that.  (I suppose it&#8217;s good they didn&#8217;t try to charge Juliana rent!)  And I&#8217;m also interested in that relationship between the self and social roles.  Are we ever not playing a role, I wonder?  What would it mean to talk about a self that&#8217;s distinct from its roles?</p>
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		<title>By: Fideline</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/06/03/stuffed-animals-and-the-transmigration-of-souls/#comment-48820</link>
		<dc:creator>Fideline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can add one more antecdote about Juliana. While I was Lynnette&#039;s roommate, Lynnette&#039;s sisters sent mail addressed to Juliana. The mail sorters were quite worried; they wondered if a third person had moved into the apartment, which was against the rules. 

This incident perhaps leads to a another question about self. How much of &quot;self&quot; is purely presentation driven by a need to conform to social expectations for different situations? Is it possible to see ourselves and others beyond the social roles that we play or masks that we wear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can add one more antecdote about Juliana. While I was Lynnette&#8217;s roommate, Lynnette&#8217;s sisters sent mail addressed to Juliana. The mail sorters were quite worried; they wondered if a third person had moved into the apartment, which was against the rules. </p>
<p>This incident perhaps leads to a another question about self. How much of &#8220;self&#8221; is purely presentation driven by a need to conform to social expectations for different situations? Is it possible to see ourselves and others beyond the social roles that we play or masks that we wear?</p>
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		<title>By: fMhLisa</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/06/03/stuffed-animals-and-the-transmigration-of-souls/#comment-48810</link>
		<dc:creator>fMhLisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 05:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother once tried  transmigration on my ninny bear, it was horrendously unsuccessful.  Ninny and I still giggle about it sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother once tried  transmigration on my ninny bear, it was horrendously unsuccessful.  Ninny and I still giggle about it sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/06/03/stuffed-animals-and-the-transmigration-of-souls/#comment-48809</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What is the “me” that remains constant through all those spheres?&quot;  

If you include the concept of intelligences, I have no idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What is the “me” that remains constant through all those spheres?&#8221;  </p>
<p>If you include the concept of intelligences, I have no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/06/03/stuffed-animals-and-the-transmigration-of-souls/#comment-48807</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynnette,

&lt;em&gt;Why might I consider myself accountable for actions done by an earlier version of myself? &lt;/em&gt;

Yes, this question is one that has interested me for the longest time.  I have come to the conclusion that we are only accountable for our current selves and that the talk of being accountable for our past selves is only true in the sense that our past actions have made us who we are today.  I&#039;ve argued this point at various times in the past, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2007/06/what-are-we-to-make-of-final-judgment/401/#comment-87217&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comment&lt;/a&gt; was the only one I could dig up.

&lt;em&gt;And the questions get even trickier once we’re talking about premortal and postmortal existence. What is the “me” that remains constant through all those spheres?&lt;/em&gt;

This one is quite a doozy.  I wonder about that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynnette,</p>
<p><em>Why might I consider myself accountable for actions done by an earlier version of myself? </em></p>
<p>Yes, this question is one that has interested me for the longest time.  I have come to the conclusion that we are only accountable for our current selves and that the talk of being accountable for our past selves is only true in the sense that our past actions have made us who we are today.  I&#8217;ve argued this point at various times in the past, but <a href="http://www.newcoolthang.com/index.php/2007/06/what-are-we-to-make-of-final-judgment/401/#comment-87217" rel="nofollow">this comment</a> was the only one I could dig up.</p>
<p><em>And the questions get even trickier once we’re talking about premortal and postmortal existence. What is the “me” that remains constant through all those spheres?</em></p>
<p>This one is quite a doozy.  I wonder about that too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnette</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/06/03/stuffed-animals-and-the-transmigration-of-souls/#comment-48802</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TT, Ray, Roasted Tomatoes, and Jacob J, thanks for your thoughts. I’m really interested in that question of the self, and what gives it continuity over time. In what sense am I the “same” person I was when I was six years old, or six months old, given the stark differences between who I am now–physically, mentally, socially–and those earlier versions of me? Why might I consider myself accountable for actions done by an earlier version of myself? And the questions get even trickier once we’re talking about premortal and postmortal existence. What is the “me” that remains constant through all those spheres? I don’t like substance dualism that posits a spirit/mind which is fundamentally different from and separate from the body, but I find it difficult to talk about Mormon conceptions of eternal identity without falling into dualistic language. I don’t really have anything original to say about the problem, but it’s one I find fascinating.

Jacob J, that’s a good point about the difference between a person and an inanimate object–I’m thinking that the latter can be reduced to its physicality in a way that a person probably can’t. I’m trying to think this out, because I agree with you that it’s not hard to imagine a person’s identity remaining constant even in the face of serious changes to their body. At the same time, I think there’s something flawed in the kind of premise you see on Star Trek, in which someone’s consciousness can get transferred into someone else’s body and yet remain “them”. Maybe the former seems more plausible to me because there’s still some kind of physical continuity, and because it doesn&#039;t raise the problems of dualism.

So perhaps the question I’m getting at here is–does the Resurrection give me a body which has some connection to the one I have now–perhaps along the lines of the acorn/tree or caterpillar/butterfly analogies–or does it put my consciousness into something entirely new, more along the lines of Star Trek? And I suppose a related problem is that of what continuity exists between who I am now and my disembodied spirit self said to exist in the next life before the Resurrection.

And RT, that’s quite the image of the Resurrection and its use of recycled material–I may never think of it the same way again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TT, Ray, Roasted Tomatoes, and Jacob J, thanks for your thoughts. I’m really interested in that question of the self, and what gives it continuity over time. In what sense am I the “same” person I was when I was six years old, or six months old, given the stark differences between who I am now–physically, mentally, socially–and those earlier versions of me? Why might I consider myself accountable for actions done by an earlier version of myself? And the questions get even trickier once we’re talking about premortal and postmortal existence. What is the “me” that remains constant through all those spheres? I don’t like substance dualism that posits a spirit/mind which is fundamentally different from and separate from the body, but I find it difficult to talk about Mormon conceptions of eternal identity without falling into dualistic language. I don’t really have anything original to say about the problem, but it’s one I find fascinating.</p>
<p>Jacob J, that’s a good point about the difference between a person and an inanimate object–I’m thinking that the latter can be reduced to its physicality in a way that a person probably can’t. I’m trying to think this out, because I agree with you that it’s not hard to imagine a person’s identity remaining constant even in the face of serious changes to their body. At the same time, I think there’s something flawed in the kind of premise you see on Star Trek, in which someone’s consciousness can get transferred into someone else’s body and yet remain “them”. Maybe the former seems more plausible to me because there’s still some kind of physical continuity, and because it doesn&#8217;t raise the problems of dualism.</p>
<p>So perhaps the question I’m getting at here is–does the Resurrection give me a body which has some connection to the one I have now–perhaps along the lines of the acorn/tree or caterpillar/butterfly analogies–or does it put my consciousness into something entirely new, more along the lines of Star Trek? And I suppose a related problem is that of what continuity exists between who I am now and my disembodied spirit self said to exist in the next life before the Resurrection.</p>
<p>And RT, that’s quite the image of the Resurrection and its use of recycled material–I may never think of it the same way again!</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnette</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/06/03/stuffed-animals-and-the-transmigration-of-souls/#comment-48801</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G, you’ve deeply endeared yourself to me with that comment. Alas, not everyone appreciates Juliana’s many virtues. :)

Angie, that doesn’t sound bad! I do like the idea of a resurrected body free from the many physical ailments that plague us in this life. It would also be cool if, like in &lt;em&gt;Defending Your Life&lt;/em&gt; (I think), you could eat unlimited chocolate and so forth without gaining weight.

Zillah, I have to agree with you about Melyngoch. Fortunately, Juliana is safe from her for the time being, while she’s off inflicting her devious ways on the poor souls in Sweden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G, you’ve deeply endeared yourself to me with that comment. Alas, not everyone appreciates Juliana’s many virtues. <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Angie, that doesn’t sound bad! I do like the idea of a resurrected body free from the many physical ailments that plague us in this life. It would also be cool if, like in <em>Defending Your Life</em> (I think), you could eat unlimited chocolate and so forth without gaining weight.</p>
<p>Zillah, I have to agree with you about Melyngoch. Fortunately, Juliana is safe from her for the time being, while she’s off inflicting her devious ways on the poor souls in Sweden.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynnette,

The picture of &quot;Juliana models her Angel sweater while studying her scriptures&quot; is priceless.  

As to the topic of bodies and identity, it seems that you may be exacerbating the problem by considering it in the context of a stuffed animal, where the &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; thing it has to define itself is its appearance.  Consider, for a counter example, whether you would be able to &quot;transmigrate&quot; the soul of your family member from their current body to one that is disfigured by accident or fire.  I think you&#039;ll have a much easier time with that than with your stuffed animal because a person&#039;s identity is so much deeper than their skin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynnette,</p>
<p>The picture of &#8220;Juliana models her Angel sweater while studying her scriptures&#8221; is priceless.  </p>
<p>As to the topic of bodies and identity, it seems that you may be exacerbating the problem by considering it in the context of a stuffed animal, where the <em>only</em> thing it has to define itself is its appearance.  Consider, for a counter example, whether you would be able to &#8220;transmigrate&#8221; the soul of your family member from their current body to one that is disfigured by accident or fire.  I think you&#8217;ll have a much easier time with that than with your stuffed animal because a person&#8217;s identity is so much deeper than their skin.</p>
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		<title>By: RoastedTomatoes</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoastedTomatoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TT, I second the call for a dissertation!  This is a fascinating question.  Elements of both views regarding the body seem to be with Mormons up to the present.  In particular, regarding the &quot;specific bits of matter&quot; view, the church continues to counsel against cremation.  Over against that perspective, a scientist might point out that pretty much all of our material bits have belonged to lots of other creatures over time -- making resurrection potentially into a gory version of what happens when a wealthy relative dies without a will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TT, I second the call for a dissertation!  This is a fascinating question.  Elements of both views regarding the body seem to be with Mormons up to the present.  In particular, regarding the &#8220;specific bits of matter&#8221; view, the church continues to counsel against cremation.  Over against that perspective, a scientist might point out that pretty much all of our material bits have belonged to lots of other creatures over time &#8212; making resurrection potentially into a gory version of what happens when a wealthy relative dies without a will.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh wow... I heart juliana!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh wow&#8230; I heart juliana!</p>
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