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	<title>Comments on: Do You Want to Go to the Celestial Kingdom?</title>
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		<title>By: Hardtaill</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/04/17/do-you-want-to-go-to-the-celestial-kingdom/#comment-52582</link>
		<dc:creator>Hardtaill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beatrice,

In the Celestial Kingdom there will be no jealousy and ill-will towards plural marriage.  Jealousy and ill-will are Satan&#039;s tools and he won&#039;t be there.

One other thing:  There will also be no intimate &quot;relations&quot;.  God does not have intimate &quot;relations&quot;.  All of God&#039;s children in the heavens are in spirit form.  A Celestial being cannot produce a body of flesh and blood.  It takes an earth-bound being to create a body of flesh and blood.  God&#039;s spirit children are conceived the same way Jesus Christ was conceived:  No physical contact.  Remember--Mary, the mother of Jesus, was a virgin AFTER the birth of Jesus Christ and did not lose her virginity until she was intimate with Joseph, her husband.


&#039;Tail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beatrice,</p>
<p>In the Celestial Kingdom there will be no jealousy and ill-will towards plural marriage.  Jealousy and ill-will are Satan&#8217;s tools and he won&#8217;t be there.</p>
<p>One other thing:  There will also be no intimate &#8220;relations&#8221;.  God does not have intimate &#8220;relations&#8221;.  All of God&#8217;s children in the heavens are in spirit form.  A Celestial being cannot produce a body of flesh and blood.  It takes an earth-bound being to create a body of flesh and blood.  God&#8217;s spirit children are conceived the same way Jesus Christ was conceived:  No physical contact.  Remember&#8211;Mary, the mother of Jesus, was a virgin AFTER the birth of Jesus Christ and did not lose her virginity until she was intimate with Joseph, her husband.</p>
<p>&#8216;Tail.</p>
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		<title>By: Ziff</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/04/17/do-you-want-to-go-to-the-celestial-kingdom/#comment-46469</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 05:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corey,

Welcome! Thanks for sharing your experience. I&#039;m sorry it turned out badly. Religious differences can be so difficult to navigate, particularly I guess with Mormons since so many people have strong feelings, both positive and negative, about Mormonism.

I&#039;m glad you like the site. If you want to email any of us, our addresses are on the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/about-us/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;about us&lt;/a&gt;&quot; page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey,</p>
<p>Welcome! Thanks for sharing your experience. I&#8217;m sorry it turned out badly. Religious differences can be so difficult to navigate, particularly I guess with Mormons since so many people have strong feelings, both positive and negative, about Mormonism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you like the site. If you want to email any of us, our addresses are on the &#8220;<a href="http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/about-us/" rel="nofollow">about us</a>&#8221; page.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 04:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few months ago, I started dating a Mormon woman who lived in my apartment complex.  I came to love her dearly, and still do.  After imagining spending my life with her and raising a happy family together, she told me that there was no longevity in our relationship because of religious differences.  She didn&#039;t want there to be any &quot;friction&quot; in her family.  I now understand why it is important for her to maintain religious cohesion in any family she might have, but at that time, I felt like she might as well have said that we couldn&#039;t be together because I&#039;m Scotch-Irish and she&#039;s a German Swede.  I was devastated.  I have come to believe that the biggest concern was her desire for a Celestial marriage in the temple.  Obviously I couldn&#039;t be in the picture unless I converted.  If we couldn&#039;t be together forever, we couldn&#039;t be together temporarily on Earth either.  

It was a two-way street though; I think it always is in this life.  
Having been brought up in a Church that often espoused anti-Mormonist rhetoric, I have been conditioned to manufacture poorly constructed arguments against their beliefs and, having had a potential spouse at stake, my fervor to defeat the forces keeping us apart was increased tenfold.  My strategy, attempting to apostate her so we could be together, was fundamentally and morally flawed.  If I had been more tactical, I would&#039;ve known that the people in my life are more important than their beliefs.  I would&#039;ve happily done whatever necessary to gain the Priesthood and enter the Temple with her.  I would&#039;ve known that the idea of being together forever is a beautiful thing, not a wrong thing.  Now she very well may be lost from my life forever because of the offenses I have committed.

I think a lot of different religious and nonreligious people have similar ideas about the nature of the afterlife.  I tend to agree with Seth R. in that we will be recycled into some kind of eternal continuum with God.  It&#039;s not a good feeling to be rejected by someone you love based on these ideas though.

This is an awesome website and I&#039;d like to send an e-mail to you if I could!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few months ago, I started dating a Mormon woman who lived in my apartment complex.  I came to love her dearly, and still do.  After imagining spending my life with her and raising a happy family together, she told me that there was no longevity in our relationship because of religious differences.  She didn&#8217;t want there to be any &#8220;friction&#8221; in her family.  I now understand why it is important for her to maintain religious cohesion in any family she might have, but at that time, I felt like she might as well have said that we couldn&#8217;t be together because I&#8217;m Scotch-Irish and she&#8217;s a German Swede.  I was devastated.  I have come to believe that the biggest concern was her desire for a Celestial marriage in the temple.  Obviously I couldn&#8217;t be in the picture unless I converted.  If we couldn&#8217;t be together forever, we couldn&#8217;t be together temporarily on Earth either.  </p>
<p>It was a two-way street though; I think it always is in this life.<br />
Having been brought up in a Church that often espoused anti-Mormonist rhetoric, I have been conditioned to manufacture poorly constructed arguments against their beliefs and, having had a potential spouse at stake, my fervor to defeat the forces keeping us apart was increased tenfold.  My strategy, attempting to apostate her so we could be together, was fundamentally and morally flawed.  If I had been more tactical, I would&#8217;ve known that the people in my life are more important than their beliefs.  I would&#8217;ve happily done whatever necessary to gain the Priesthood and enter the Temple with her.  I would&#8217;ve known that the idea of being together forever is a beautiful thing, not a wrong thing.  Now she very well may be lost from my life forever because of the offenses I have committed.</p>
<p>I think a lot of different religious and nonreligious people have similar ideas about the nature of the afterlife.  I tend to agree with Seth R. in that we will be recycled into some kind of eternal continuum with God.  It&#8217;s not a good feeling to be rejected by someone you love based on these ideas though.</p>
<p>This is an awesome website and I&#8217;d like to send an e-mail to you if I could!</p>
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		<title>By: Ladyship</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ladyship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops:  I left out something in the first paragraph.  Let me resubmit.

I love my husband, but we have many differences in terms of what we find interesting to think about and talk about. I would find this life and heaven a drag if I couldn&#039;t enjoy conversations with people I find interesting. (Regardless of sex or marital status.)  We all need to connect with like-minded people from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops:  I left out something in the first paragraph.  Let me resubmit.</p>
<p>I love my husband, but we have many differences in terms of what we find interesting to think about and talk about. I would find this life and heaven a drag if I couldn&#8217;t enjoy conversations with people I find interesting. (Regardless of sex or marital status.)  We all need to connect with like-minded people from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ladyship</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ladyship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love my husband, but we have many differences in terms of what we find interesting to think about and talk about.  I would find this life and heaven a drag if I could enjoy conversations with people I find interesting.  (Regardless of sex or marital status.)  

At this point in my life, I find the CK highly unappealing if it is anything like its been described in church.  I love my daughter but the pregnancy process was challenging.  No way would I want to be endlessly pregnant.  Plus, I think it would demean intimacy to have millions of children.  I&#039;d rather have fewer kids (limited to this life) but know and understand them on a really deep and intimate level. 

I guess what everyone needs in the next life in order to be happy is a little bit different, but there&#039;s also some sameness too (love, kindness, understanding, safety, etc).  So, I believe God is big and loving enough to have room for the diversity of our children.  

But...I will say this.  I despise polygamy and always have.  The very thought of it makes me feel diminished as a woman.  I&#039;d like to be with my husband for eternity.  But if heaven required polygamy, I&#039;d leave immediately and spend eternity picking figs with my grandfather.  And that would be that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love my husband, but we have many differences in terms of what we find interesting to think about and talk about.  I would find this life and heaven a drag if I could enjoy conversations with people I find interesting.  (Regardless of sex or marital status.)  </p>
<p>At this point in my life, I find the CK highly unappealing if it is anything like its been described in church.  I love my daughter but the pregnancy process was challenging.  No way would I want to be endlessly pregnant.  Plus, I think it would demean intimacy to have millions of children.  I&#8217;d rather have fewer kids (limited to this life) but know and understand them on a really deep and intimate level. </p>
<p>I guess what everyone needs in the next life in order to be happy is a little bit different, but there&#8217;s also some sameness too (love, kindness, understanding, safety, etc).  So, I believe God is big and loving enough to have room for the diversity of our children.  </p>
<p>But&#8230;I will say this.  I despise polygamy and always have.  The very thought of it makes me feel diminished as a woman.  I&#8217;d like to be with my husband for eternity.  But if heaven required polygamy, I&#8217;d leave immediately and spend eternity picking figs with my grandfather.  And that would be that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiskilili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiskilili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emer, that&#039;s such an interesting point! I&#039;m with you--I really don&#039;t see much appeal in a heaven where we&#039;re so paired off we can&#039;t associate emotinally with beings other than our spouse(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emer, that&#8217;s such an interesting point! I&#8217;m with you&#8211;I really don&#8217;t see much appeal in a heaven where we&#8217;re so paired off we can&#8217;t associate emotinally with beings other than our spouse(s).</p>
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		<title>By: ~Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>~Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:  Are the kingdoms separate places, or something else

One of my BYU religion professors (admittedly, not always the best source of doctrine) was fond of saying that what makes the (celestial, terrestrial, telestial) kingdom the (c, t, t) kingdom is the people you are with and the kinds of relationships you can have with them.

Just a thought.  I don&#039;t know whether I agree or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  Are the kingdoms separate places, or something else</p>
<p>One of my BYU religion professors (admittedly, not always the best source of doctrine) was fond of saying that what makes the (celestial, terrestrial, telestial) kingdom the (c, t, t) kingdom is the people you are with and the kinds of relationships you can have with them.</p>
<p>Just a thought.  I don&#8217;t know whether I agree or not.</p>
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		<title>By: jessawhy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessawhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI There&#039;s a related thread at &lt;a href=&quot;http://the-exponent.com/2008/04/24/my-relationship-with-married-men/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Exponent&lt;/a&gt; about relationships between married people.  (or single people and married people)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI There&#8217;s a related thread at <a href="http://the-exponent.com/2008/04/24/my-relationship-with-married-men/" rel="nofollow">The Exponent</a> about relationships between married people.  (or single people and married people)</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emer, but we already know how God procreates, don&#039;t we?  Start with some red clay, wait for a rib... fire it all in a kiln with the light of intelligence... you could have all your male and female friends involved at the same time without any of the weirdness our limited mortal procreation exersizes entail -- it would just be like a fun group pottery class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emer, but we already know how God procreates, don&#8217;t we?  Start with some red clay, wait for a rib&#8230; fire it all in a kiln with the light of intelligence&#8230; you could have all your male and female friends involved at the same time without any of the weirdness our limited mortal procreation exersizes entail &#8212; it would just be like a fun group pottery class.</p>
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		<title>By: Beatrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beatrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emer son of omer.  Interesting comments.  I think that this is relatated to church rhetoric that we used to hear about why women shouldn&#039;t be in the work force which is that if men and women work together there will be more affairs.  I have always found this view really puzzling.  So it is impossible for men and women to work together without having an affair?  What about men and women in the church working together?  What about becoming Zion and all working together toward a common goal?  I have seen people who will barely interact with anyone of the opposite sex once they get married.  I think that this is a bit ridiculous and a bit extreme.  We should be able to work together, be friends with, and learn from members of the opposite sex and still be faithful to our spouses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emer son of omer.  Interesting comments.  I think that this is relatated to church rhetoric that we used to hear about why women shouldn&#8217;t be in the work force which is that if men and women work together there will be more affairs.  I have always found this view really puzzling.  So it is impossible for men and women to work together without having an affair?  What about men and women in the church working together?  What about becoming Zion and all working together toward a common goal?  I have seen people who will barely interact with anyone of the opposite sex once they get married.  I think that this is a bit ridiculous and a bit extreme.  We should be able to work together, be friends with, and learn from members of the opposite sex and still be faithful to our spouses.</p>
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