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]]> By: Jacob J http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44496 Jacob J Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:48:05 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44496 Great post Lynnette. I think the "series of actions" view of repentance is unfortunate in so many ways. All of our conceptions about our relationship with God, what is expected of us, and how we are saved come together in our view of repentance and forgiveness. I wish we could come to view forgiveness as a healing of relationships rather than God erasing X's off of a score card. We repent by turning back to God after turning away from him and God's forgiveness is the embrace we find in his outstretched arms, feeling after us when we leave him (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/112/13#13" rel="nofollow">D&C 112:13</a>. Great post Lynnette. I think the “series of actions” view of repentance is unfortunate in so many ways. All of our conceptions about our relationship with God, what is expected of us, and how we are saved come together in our view of repentance and forgiveness. I wish we could come to view forgiveness as a healing of relationships rather than God erasing X’s off of a score card. We repent by turning back to God after turning away from him and God’s forgiveness is the embrace we find in his outstretched arms, feeling after us when we leave him (D&C 112:13.

]]> By: Stephen M (Ethesis) http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44494 Stephen M (Ethesis) Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:05:07 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44494 <blockquote>is not to prove anything to God (who knows everything anyway), but to instead prove it all to ourselves</blockquote> I have to confess that it caught my attention because it is what my wife told me was her philosophy when we first met. <strong>It’s about a process that changes us and helps us recognize more or our true selves when we re-think our actions and make them more congruent with our beliefs.</strong> That is a strong statement. I like it. Think you could expand that, I'd be glad to have you guest post on it on my blog or to try and talk the group bloggers on the group blog I'm on into carrying an essay with that as the thesis statement.

is not to prove anything to God (who knows everything anyway), but to instead prove it all to ourselves

I have to confess that it caught my attention because it is what my wife told me was her philosophy when we first met.

It’s about a process that changes us and helps us recognize more or our true selves when we re-think our actions and make them more congruent with our beliefs.

That is a strong statement. I like it. Think you could expand that, I’d be glad to have you guest post on it on my blog or to try and talk the group bloggers on the group blog I’m on into carrying an essay with that as the thesis statement.

]]> By: Alisa http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44491 Alisa Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:33:46 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44491 Lynnette, the quote Stephen mentioned in #1 is exactly what caught my attention. This may sound crazy, but I've been thinking lately that our whole mortal existence here is not to prove anything to God (who knows everything anyway), but to instead prove it all to ourselves--to prove to ourselves that we are the children of God. I think your view of repentence fits in with this. It's about a process that changes us and helps us recognize more or our true selves when we re-think our actions and make them more congruent with our beliefs. Lynnette, the quote Stephen mentioned in #1 is exactly what caught my attention. This may sound crazy, but I’ve been thinking lately that our whole mortal existence here is not to prove anything to God (who knows everything anyway), but to instead prove it all to ourselves–to prove to ourselves that we are the children of God. I think your view of repentence fits in with this. It’s about a process that changes us and helps us recognize more or our true selves when we re-think our actions and make them more congruent with our beliefs.

]]> By: Stephen M (Ethesis) http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44490 Stephen M (Ethesis) Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:52:16 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44490 <blockquote>their emphasis on human powerlessness, and our utter dependence on God</blockquote> Combined, interestingly enough, with an emphasis on work. "It works if you work it" being the catch phrase I remember hearing. It is an interesting combination of grace and works. BTW <a href="http://silkworth.net/freestuff.html" rel="nofollow">http://silkworth.net/freestuff.html</a> for some really interesting free mp3 files that are a basic review, in very entertaining form, of AA.

their emphasis on human powerlessness, and our utter dependence on God

Combined, interestingly enough, with an emphasis on work. “It works if you work it” being the catch phrase I remember hearing.

It is an interesting combination of grace and works.

BTW

http://silkworth.net/freestuff.html

for some really interesting free mp3 files that are a basic review, in very entertaining form, of AA.

]]> By: Mark IV http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44489 Mark IV Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:26:19 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44489 1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us. Almost invariably, missionary work is successful only to the extend that we can help people understand that they are not already lost causes. This is also the reason that repentance is the second principle of the gospel, preceded by faith in Christ. In my opinion, it is impossible to repent without that hope and love. 1 John 4:19

We love him, because he first loved us.

Almost invariably, missionary work is successful only to the extend that we can help people understand that they are not already lost causes. This is also the reason that repentance is the second principle of the gospel, preceded by faith in Christ. In my opinion, it is impossible to repent without that hope and love.

]]> By: Lynnette http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44488 Lynnette Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:06:46 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44488 Stephen, that's a good connection to the process of AA. I'm also interested in the theological underpinnings of twelve-step programs--they seem to me to reflect a somewhat Augustinian approach to grace in their emphasis on human powerlessness, and our utter dependence on God. Eric, I agree that this model is quite compatible with LDS teachings. I'm always struck in the story of Alma the Younger, how he calls on Christ and can remember his pains no more--and then goes on to lead a transformed life as a result of that experience, not as a precondition of it. Stephen, that’s a good connection to the process of AA. I’m also interested in the theological underpinnings of twelve-step programs–they seem to me to reflect a somewhat Augustinian approach to grace in their emphasis on human powerlessness, and our utter dependence on God.

Eric, I agree that this model is quite compatible with LDS teachings. I’m always struck in the story of Alma the Younger, how he calls on Christ and can remember his pains no more–and then goes on to lead a transformed life as a result of that experience, not as a precondition of it.

]]> By: Eric Russell http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44487 Eric Russell Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:01:42 +0000 http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2008/02/28/repentance-as-a-response/#comment-44487 Good stuff, Lynnette. In spite of simplistic models that are taught to children and new members to help them begin to understand what to do, I think an approach such as what you suggest is in fact what LDS doctrine holds. Just ask Blake Ostler. Good stuff, Lynnette. In spite of simplistic models that are taught to children and new members to help them begin to understand what to do, I think an approach such as what you suggest is in fact what LDS doctrine holds. Just ask Blake Ostler.

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