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	<title>Comments on: Why Do Mormons Have No Liturgical Year?</title>
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		<title>By: LG</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/11/28/why-do-mormons-have-no-liturgical-year/#comment-39158</link>
		<dc:creator>LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that following a liturgical year would be perhaps too confining to fit with our LDS &quot;style&quot;.  After all, it&#039;s much more than Advent, Christmas, Lent and Easter--the liturgical calendar defines the content, both spoken word and music, of almost every worship service of the entire year.  I think that this would limit the ability of leaders to determine the spiritual needs of their congregations and plan sacrament meetings accordingly.

With that said, we have been celebrating Advent as a family this Christmas season.  We celebrated Holy Week last Easter.  I love the concepts of both seasons and felt like we could incorporate them in an appropriate way into our family life.

I personally love Pioneer Day for many reasons, some deeply personal and spiritual, and I feel cheated when my ward leaders do nothing to acknowledge that day in Sacrament meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that following a liturgical year would be perhaps too confining to fit with our LDS &#8220;style&#8221;.  After all, it&#8217;s much more than Advent, Christmas, Lent and Easter&#8211;the liturgical calendar defines the content, both spoken word and music, of almost every worship service of the entire year.  I think that this would limit the ability of leaders to determine the spiritual needs of their congregations and plan sacrament meetings accordingly.</p>
<p>With that said, we have been celebrating Advent as a family this Christmas season.  We celebrated Holy Week last Easter.  I love the concepts of both seasons and felt like we could incorporate them in an appropriate way into our family life.</p>
<p>I personally love Pioneer Day for many reasons, some deeply personal and spiritual, and I feel cheated when my ward leaders do nothing to acknowledge that day in Sacrament meeting.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam G.</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/11/28/why-do-mormons-have-no-liturgical-year/#comment-39025</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fellowship of churches of which I am part (independent Christian churches/churches of Christ) also does not follow any liturgical year, generally.  Sadly, most congregations just go along with the secular calendar.  My guess is that the Mormon lack of a liturgical calendar goes straight back to its frontier low-church Protestant roots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fellowship of churches of which I am part (independent Christian churches/churches of Christ) also does not follow any liturgical year, generally.  Sadly, most congregations just go along with the secular calendar.  My guess is that the Mormon lack of a liturgical calendar goes straight back to its frontier low-church Protestant roots.</p>
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		<title>By: Ziff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ziff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a liturgical month? We begin each month with testimony meeting and end each month with home teaching. We teach from different stuff in RS/Priesthood depending on the week of the month. I know this isn&#039;t exactly liturgy, but at least it&#039;s cyclical. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a liturgical month? We begin each month with testimony meeting and end each month with home teaching. We teach from different stuff in RS/Priesthood depending on the week of the month. I know this isn&#8217;t exactly liturgy, but at least it&#8217;s cyclical. <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kiskilili</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/11/28/why-do-mormons-have-no-liturgical-year/#comment-38808</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiskilili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment, Lynnette--you&#039;re probably right that it has to do with little more than accident of history; for similar reasons, perhaps, we&#039;re sometimes wary of discussing Mary, almost as though we believe she&#039;s been irretrievably adopted by Catholicism. This time of year I sometimes experience Advent envy; Advent looks like such a cool idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment, Lynnette&#8211;you&#8217;re probably right that it has to do with little more than accident of history; for similar reasons, perhaps, we&#8217;re sometimes wary of discussing Mary, almost as though we believe she&#8217;s been irretrievably adopted by Catholicism. This time of year I sometimes experience Advent envy; Advent looks like such a cool idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit to being quite enamored of Advent and Lent in particular, and I&#039;d love to find a way to sneak them into the LDS calendar.  My off-the-cuff speculation is that our lack of a liturgical year is due to cultural accident rather than anything unique to LDS theology; as you and JKC note, we come from a low church heritage.  The situation seems somewhat akin to that of not using crosses--I can&#039;t think of anything in our doctrine would require this, but our avoidance of the practice is so entrenched in our tradition that we&#039;re somewhat suspicious of it, have come up with doctrinal rationales to explain the situation, and are likely to associate the practice with apostasy.  My experience is that Latter-day Saints frequently associate ritual of the high church variety with unnecessary pomp and vain repetitions, and see it as a less authentic form of worship.  (Though our own ritual practices, of course, aren&#039;t interpreted that way.)

I&#039;m also intrigued by the questions you raise about ritual, and its place in our culture.  I like your point about how we seem to want ritual to be necessary in some way to justify its existence--thus the official reason for repeating temple worship isn&#039;t for the experience per se, but in order to further the work of saving the souls of the dead.  How much (if any) room do we have for ritual for the sake of the experience itself, as opposed to ritual as a means to another end?  Kaimi&#039;s example of pageants might fall into such a category, though I suspect that many would justify the existence of such pageants as facilitating the goal of missionary work.  But the sacrament might also perhaps fit into this category--as you note, we&#039;ve closely connected it to other necessary saving rituals, but in and of itself it isn&#039;t strictly necessary, and one could certainly say the same thing about the yearly Primary program, Conference, or Pioneer Day celebrations.

Really, my guess is that what would be required for Mormons to adopt the liturgical year would be an influx of converts like Kaliki, who come from high church traditions.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit to being quite enamored of Advent and Lent in particular, and I&#8217;d love to find a way to sneak them into the LDS calendar.  My off-the-cuff speculation is that our lack of a liturgical year is due to cultural accident rather than anything unique to LDS theology; as you and JKC note, we come from a low church heritage.  The situation seems somewhat akin to that of not using crosses&#8211;I can&#8217;t think of anything in our doctrine would require this, but our avoidance of the practice is so entrenched in our tradition that we&#8217;re somewhat suspicious of it, have come up with doctrinal rationales to explain the situation, and are likely to associate the practice with apostasy.  My experience is that Latter-day Saints frequently associate ritual of the high church variety with unnecessary pomp and vain repetitions, and see it as a less authentic form of worship.  (Though our own ritual practices, of course, aren&#8217;t interpreted that way.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also intrigued by the questions you raise about ritual, and its place in our culture.  I like your point about how we seem to want ritual to be necessary in some way to justify its existence&#8211;thus the official reason for repeating temple worship isn&#8217;t for the experience per se, but in order to further the work of saving the souls of the dead.  How much (if any) room do we have for ritual for the sake of the experience itself, as opposed to ritual as a means to another end?  Kaimi&#8217;s example of pageants might fall into such a category, though I suspect that many would justify the existence of such pageants as facilitating the goal of missionary work.  But the sacrament might also perhaps fit into this category&#8211;as you note, we&#8217;ve closely connected it to other necessary saving rituals, but in and of itself it isn&#8217;t strictly necessary, and one could certainly say the same thing about the yearly Primary program, Conference, or Pioneer Day celebrations.</p>
<p>Really, my guess is that what would be required for Mormons to adopt the liturgical year would be an influx of converts like Kaliki, who come from high church traditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiskilili</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/11/28/why-do-mormons-have-no-liturgical-year/#comment-38790</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiskilili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your comment, Kaliki. I&#039;m very attracted to Episcopalianism for the reasons you mention: the music and processions and sense of solemn grandeur that accompanies holy days.

Thanks for all the other comments as well. You&#039;re all of course right to point to pageants and pioneer parades as part of the Mormon experience of the year, and that may amount to something in the way of a &quot;sacred calendar.&quot; And maybe it&#039;s just my own biases that prevent me from considering them &lt;em&gt;liturgical&lt;/em&gt; commemorations exactly--but other sacred communal events in the Church typically occur within sacred space (chapel or temple) and are relatively solemn (if not extremely so). 

Of course the dividing line between the sacred and the secular is ultimately arbitrary; for example, Santa Claus, today an icon of Christmas&#039;s commercial secular dimension, is in origin a saint (a bishop who lived in Turkey in the 4th century), and it wasn&#039;t so long ago that he was still being portrayed in all the regalia appropriate to his position: with a bishop&#039;s mitre and rosary and crucifix. Just as one could make an argument that Santa Claus belongs to the realm of the sacred, one could certainly argue that pioneer parades and pageants are an event sacred to the Mormon community. But I personally see them more in line with Young Men&#039;s stake basketball championships, which are also important to the Mormon community, and are cyclical, but are nevertheless neither central nor sacred.

Such celebrations, as fundamentally Mormon as they are, are relatively spontaneous, festive, and local rather than official, religious, and global. (I haven&#039;t ever noticed any Pioneer Day celebrations where I live--perhaps I haven&#039;t paid close enough attention?)  Again, this may just be my own religious predilections: I adore high church ritual. I&#039;m less attracted to sentimental temple pageants. :)

Peter, I&#039;m not actually proposing the adoption of another holiday (though heaven knows I&#039;ll take whatever days off work I can get! ;)). I&#039;m musing more on why the possible holy days and holidays we have do not have a specifically religious component to their observance, and whether that&#039;s endemic to Mormon sensibilities or the result of happenstance. In asking this, I&#039;m considering, as a hypothetical, Mormon holy days that could potentially replace the Christian liturgical calendar if the reason we reject it is its origins, not the idea of a liturgical year itself.

Great comment, JKC. I&#039;m really still not sure exactly what I think about the lack of a Mormon liturgical year, although I suspect, as you say, that it&#039;s largely an inheritance of low church sensibilities. I wonder how millenarianism might have played a role? As you say, it could well have oriented the saints toward the future and away from the past. On the other hand, our scriptures point us to religiously significant events in the past, and all of our claims to authority are grounded in an appeal to the distant past. It could well be that the Church&#039;s young age plays a role in this as well--what are pageants today could conceivably be liturgical commemorations in the future--but one could argue that we&#039;re too young to have any ritualistic activities at all. Yet we do.

Thanks for your correction, Alea--I had no idea General Conference was so scheduled to commemorate the organizing of the Church, although it certainly makes sense!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your comment, Kaliki. I&#8217;m very attracted to Episcopalianism for the reasons you mention: the music and processions and sense of solemn grandeur that accompanies holy days.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the other comments as well. You&#8217;re all of course right to point to pageants and pioneer parades as part of the Mormon experience of the year, and that may amount to something in the way of a &#8220;sacred calendar.&#8221; And maybe it&#8217;s just my own biases that prevent me from considering them <em>liturgical</em> commemorations exactly&#8211;but other sacred communal events in the Church typically occur within sacred space (chapel or temple) and are relatively solemn (if not extremely so). </p>
<p>Of course the dividing line between the sacred and the secular is ultimately arbitrary; for example, Santa Claus, today an icon of Christmas&#8217;s commercial secular dimension, is in origin a saint (a bishop who lived in Turkey in the 4th century), and it wasn&#8217;t so long ago that he was still being portrayed in all the regalia appropriate to his position: with a bishop&#8217;s mitre and rosary and crucifix. Just as one could make an argument that Santa Claus belongs to the realm of the sacred, one could certainly argue that pioneer parades and pageants are an event sacred to the Mormon community. But I personally see them more in line with Young Men&#8217;s stake basketball championships, which are also important to the Mormon community, and are cyclical, but are nevertheless neither central nor sacred.</p>
<p>Such celebrations, as fundamentally Mormon as they are, are relatively spontaneous, festive, and local rather than official, religious, and global. (I haven&#8217;t ever noticed any Pioneer Day celebrations where I live&#8211;perhaps I haven&#8217;t paid close enough attention?)  Again, this may just be my own religious predilections: I adore high church ritual. I&#8217;m less attracted to sentimental temple pageants. <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Peter, I&#8217;m not actually proposing the adoption of another holiday (though heaven knows I&#8217;ll take whatever days off work I can get! <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ). I&#8217;m musing more on why the possible holy days and holidays we have do not have a specifically religious component to their observance, and whether that&#8217;s endemic to Mormon sensibilities or the result of happenstance. In asking this, I&#8217;m considering, as a hypothetical, Mormon holy days that could potentially replace the Christian liturgical calendar if the reason we reject it is its origins, not the idea of a liturgical year itself.</p>
<p>Great comment, JKC. I&#8217;m really still not sure exactly what I think about the lack of a Mormon liturgical year, although I suspect, as you say, that it&#8217;s largely an inheritance of low church sensibilities. I wonder how millenarianism might have played a role? As you say, it could well have oriented the saints toward the future and away from the past. On the other hand, our scriptures point us to religiously significant events in the past, and all of our claims to authority are grounded in an appeal to the distant past. It could well be that the Church&#8217;s young age plays a role in this as well&#8211;what are pageants today could conceivably be liturgical commemorations in the future&#8211;but one could argue that we&#8217;re too young to have any ritualistic activities at all. Yet we do.</p>
<p>Thanks for your correction, Alea&#8211;I had no idea General Conference was so scheduled to commemorate the organizing of the Church, although it certainly makes sense!</p>
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		<title>By: Kaliki</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former Episcopalian, I miss the liturgical seasons dearly.  There is a sense of breathing in and out with the passage of the year.  There is anticipation of the birth of Christ and the triumph of Easter.  When I first realized that conference could take the place of Easter, I was shocked and horrified.  In my ward, there are a couple of Easter lillies on the front table, and a couple of hymns that were relevant.  One Easter, I was serving in the nursery and a kid threw up on me, and that was my Easter.  We used to have processions and flowers and music-filled Easter vigils.  I will miss them forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former Episcopalian, I miss the liturgical seasons dearly.  There is a sense of breathing in and out with the passage of the year.  There is anticipation of the birth of Christ and the triumph of Easter.  When I first realized that conference could take the place of Easter, I was shocked and horrified.  In my ward, there are a couple of Easter lillies on the front table, and a couple of hymns that were relevant.  One Easter, I was serving in the nursery and a kid threw up on me, and that was my Easter.  We used to have processions and flowers and music-filled Easter vigils.  I will miss them forever.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(somehow forgot to finish my thought but I don&#039;t think the post is lost)

The incessant Pioneer Day celebration on July 24 used to bug me when I wasn&#039;t living in Utah, but a few years ago, Elder Robert S Wood gave us some compelling thoughts in a stake conference about how Mormons everywhere should recognize Pioneer Day, even if they have no Utah connections.

Nowadays I encourage locals in Texas to research both the historical pioneer aspects of the local area, augmenting that with July 24...

queuno, 
who has serious Utah Pioneer cred, but outside BYU, never lived a day of his life there (I was the BYU freshman considered a &quot;gentile&quot; because I came from the Midwest, despite having three campus buildings named after ancestors).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(somehow forgot to finish my thought but I don&#8217;t think the post is lost)</p>
<p>The incessant Pioneer Day celebration on July 24 used to bug me when I wasn&#8217;t living in Utah, but a few years ago, Elder Robert S Wood gave us some compelling thoughts in a stake conference about how Mormons everywhere should recognize Pioneer Day, even if they have no Utah connections.</p>
<p>Nowadays I encourage locals in Texas to research both the historical pioneer aspects of the local area, augmenting that with July 24&#8230;</p>
<p>queuno,<br />
who has serious Utah Pioneer cred, but outside BYU, never lived a day of his life there (I was the BYU freshman considered a &#8220;gentile&#8221; because I came from the Midwest, despite having three campus buildings named after ancestors).</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alea - I admit to being a bit sarcastic, but you have to realize that July 24 isn&#039;t just for those of you in the Rocky Mountains.  It&#039;s apparently celebrated by every freakin&#039; stake in the Church, without any consideration to the *local* pioneer heritage.

Even stakes in South America celebrate July 24.  Stakes in Ohio -- *Ohio* -- celebrate July 24.

Despite my initial sarcastic tone, I maintain in all seriousness that July 24 and April 6 are as close to a common day of celebration around the entire Church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alea &#8211; I admit to being a bit sarcastic, but you have to realize that July 24 isn&#8217;t just for those of you in the Rocky Mountains.  It&#8217;s apparently celebrated by every freakin&#8217; stake in the Church, without any consideration to the *local* pioneer heritage.</p>
<p>Even stakes in South America celebrate July 24.  Stakes in Ohio &#8212; *Ohio* &#8212; celebrate July 24.</p>
<p>Despite my initial sarcastic tone, I maintain in all seriousness that July 24 and April 6 are as close to a common day of celebration around the entire Church.</p>
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		<title>By: alea</title>
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		<dc:creator>alea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One minor quibble: April General Conference does, in fact, commemorate something sacred: the founding of the Church. In years past, this Conference always included April 6th, regardless of which day of the week it was. It no longer does now that we&#039;ve shortened the whole affair to a Sat/Sun event.

Also, though queuno is being sarcastic, I think you can make a pretty strong case that, for those of us still in the Rocky Mountains, July 24th is, in fact, part of a liturgical year. Is not the annual parade a religious ceremony, despite lacking a lot of the trappings of ritual? Isn&#039;t it a very Mormon approach to take the religious aspect out of the chapel and into the streets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One minor quibble: April General Conference does, in fact, commemorate something sacred: the founding of the Church. In years past, this Conference always included April 6th, regardless of which day of the week it was. It no longer does now that we&#8217;ve shortened the whole affair to a Sat/Sun event.</p>
<p>Also, though queuno is being sarcastic, I think you can make a pretty strong case that, for those of us still in the Rocky Mountains, July 24th is, in fact, part of a liturgical year. Is not the annual parade a religious ceremony, despite lacking a lot of the trappings of ritual? Isn&#8217;t it a very Mormon approach to take the religious aspect out of the chapel and into the streets?</p>
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