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	<title>Comments on: Does Learning More About Mormonism Make You Dislike It More?</title>
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		<title>By: Lynnette</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/11/05/does-learning-more-about-mormonism-make-you-dislike-it-more/#comment-49086</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TJC, I agree with you that it&#039;s a bit inconsistent to accept something as fantastic-sounding as the Resurrection of Jesus and then dismiss stories of angels and gold plates out of hand as unbelievable.  As may have pointed out, one of the things that makes Mormons appear so weird is simply that our faith is so young--our mythic founding stories are relatively recent.

I would disagree with you, however, on a couple of points.  I believe there are other Christian churches out there who consider themselves the &quot;right&quot; church--most obviously the Catholics.  I&#039;d also note that I haven&#039;t met many people from other churches who believe that &quot;God has nothing to say to us today&quot;--in fact, there&#039;s a big sign on the UCC church which a friend of mine attends that says &quot;God is still speaking.&quot;  

I&#039;d agree with your overall point, though, that given the odd-sounding claims that various religions make, people who accept some form of religion aren&#039;t generally in the best position to dismiss other belief systems simply because they sound strange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJC, I agree with you that it&#8217;s a bit inconsistent to accept something as fantastic-sounding as the Resurrection of Jesus and then dismiss stories of angels and gold plates out of hand as unbelievable.  As may have pointed out, one of the things that makes Mormons appear so weird is simply that our faith is so young&#8211;our mythic founding stories are relatively recent.</p>
<p>I would disagree with you, however, on a couple of points.  I believe there are other Christian churches out there who consider themselves the &#8220;right&#8221; church&#8211;most obviously the Catholics.  I&#8217;d also note that I haven&#8217;t met many people from other churches who believe that &#8220;God has nothing to say to us today&#8221;&#8211;in fact, there&#8217;s a big sign on the UCC church which a friend of mine attends that says &#8220;God is still speaking.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree with your overall point, though, that given the odd-sounding claims that various religions make, people who accept some form of religion aren&#8217;t generally in the best position to dismiss other belief systems simply because they sound strange.</p>
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		<title>By: TJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - I clicked too early... the possibility that God answered his prayer is too far &quot;out there&quot; to believe?  LDS doctrine has biblical support.  Even the Temple Garments (Hebrews) that so many like to make fun of.  It&#039;s a  fact that while many Christian churches exist - all with slightly different doctrine...none of them claim to be the &quot;right&quot; church. Someone has got to have the complete Gospel of Jesus Christ, they can&#039;t all be different and all be right!   Why wouldn&#039;t God continue to speak to prophets to guide his people?  I find the fact that other churches seem to believe God has nothing to say to us today a little weird.  I guess we&#039;re even.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; I clicked too early&#8230; the possibility that God answered his prayer is too far &#8220;out there&#8221; to believe?  LDS doctrine has biblical support.  Even the Temple Garments (Hebrews) that so many like to make fun of.  It&#8217;s a  fact that while many Christian churches exist &#8211; all with slightly different doctrine&#8230;none of them claim to be the &#8220;right&#8221; church. Someone has got to have the complete Gospel of Jesus Christ, they can&#8217;t all be different and all be right!   Why wouldn&#8217;t God continue to speak to prophets to guide his people?  I find the fact that other churches seem to believe God has nothing to say to us today a little weird.  I guess we&#8217;re even.</p>
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		<title>By: TJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find somewhat puzzling is the fact that traditional Christianity easily believe that Moses parted the Red Sea, Noah saved the human race by building a big ship under the direction of God, Jesus was born of a virgin, Jesus raised the dead, fed the masses with two fish and two loaves of bread, etc. They believe that through God all things are possible....

YET a 15 year old boy asks God in fervent prayer which church to join and it is totally out of the realm of possiblity!?!  Are you kidding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find somewhat puzzling is the fact that traditional Christianity easily believe that Moses parted the Red Sea, Noah saved the human race by building a big ship under the direction of God, Jesus was born of a virgin, Jesus raised the dead, fed the masses with two fish and two loaves of bread, etc. They believe that through God all things are possible&#8230;.</p>
<p>YET a 15 year old boy asks God in fervent prayer which church to join and it is totally out of the realm of possiblity!?!  Are you kidding?</p>
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		<title>By: Ziff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ziff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for your comment, Beckie, and no need to apologize for &quot;barging in.&quot; You&#039;re clearly more of an authority on what Mormonism looks like from the outside than most if not all of us here (although I believe Todd Wood who commented above is also not a Mormon).

It&#039;s also fascinating to hear what Mormonism sounds like from the point of view of an interested (and involved, it sounds like) non-Mormon. Even if it sounds like you&#039;re leaning toward thinking we&#039;re a little off. ;)

Please feel free to jump in and comment again if you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for your comment, Beckie, and no need to apologize for &#8220;barging in.&#8221; You&#8217;re clearly more of an authority on what Mormonism looks like from the outside than most if not all of us here (although I believe Todd Wood who commented above is also not a Mormon).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also fascinating to hear what Mormonism sounds like from the point of view of an interested (and involved, it sounds like) non-Mormon. Even if it sounds like you&#8217;re leaning toward thinking we&#8217;re a little off. <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Please feel free to jump in and comment again if you like.</p>
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		<title>By: Beckie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beckie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, I&#039;m torn on this subject.  

As a non-member, I&#039;ve spent a little over a year deeply investigating the LDS church.  I came into this search knowing only &#039;the basics&#039; taught to me by my own church while in high school.  None of it wrong, but definitely not the entire picture.

Throughout this past year, I have developed close relationships with members of the church and can now say that &lt;i&gt;almost &lt;/i&gt; all of my friends are LDS.  They endearingly call me a &#039;dry Mormon&#039;.  Being a part of the community has really made the Mormon faith very appealing and not at all scary, and at times I think to myself &#039;Well, what the heck?  It&#039;s pretty much the same thing, except they have a few extra visions, a few more prophets, more experiences, scriptures... What if it&#039;s true?&#039;  And every single one of them is more than happy to answer any questions I may have.

But it stops there, because it&#039;s so much more than &#039;just a little extra&#039;.  Although the people I have come into contact with are amazing and I know they have a true relationship with Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father, I have to know what I&#039;d be getting into.  So, I do my research, both on/in LDS sites, books, television shows (yes on the BYU channel) as well as what you would call &#039;anti Mormon propoganda&#039; websites, books, etc.  In this research, it does nothing but solidify my belief that you don&#039;t have it right.  (Please don&#039;t take offense at this.  I honestly say this with as much respect as possible.)  

Reading The History of the Church (all of it, not just what is in the Pearl of Great Price) makes me question so much about Joseph Smith.  And if Joseph Smith wasn&#039;t the man he presented himself to be, then it&#039;s quite plausible that the Book of Mormon isn&#039;t what it&#039;s been set out to be either, and that&#039;s what your faith is based on.  It seems like a slippery slope argument I&#039;m laying here, but even Gorden B. Hinkley has said, &quot;If the First Vision did not occur, then we are involved in a great sham. It is just that simple.&quot;  

This may seem like I&#039;m trying to go off topic or push my own agenda (all while rambling incessantly), but I guess I just wanted to give you some insight into what someone who really has been trying to go at this with an open mind and heart has gone through when becoming &#039;educated&#039; about the faith/church.  Like I said, I&#039;m torn.  I LOVE your church.  I do.  I would not attend Sacrament meetings or other church functions if I didn&#039;t.  But I think I love the people and practices of the church more than the beliefs and the history of the church or else I&#039;d probably have been baptized by now.  :)

Sorry for barging in on your page....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, I&#8217;m torn on this subject.  </p>
<p>As a non-member, I&#8217;ve spent a little over a year deeply investigating the LDS church.  I came into this search knowing only &#8216;the basics&#8217; taught to me by my own church while in high school.  None of it wrong, but definitely not the entire picture.</p>
<p>Throughout this past year, I have developed close relationships with members of the church and can now say that <i>almost </i> all of my friends are LDS.  They endearingly call me a &#8216;dry Mormon&#8217;.  Being a part of the community has really made the Mormon faith very appealing and not at all scary, and at times I think to myself &#8216;Well, what the heck?  It&#8217;s pretty much the same thing, except they have a few extra visions, a few more prophets, more experiences, scriptures&#8230; What if it&#8217;s true?&#8217;  And every single one of them is more than happy to answer any questions I may have.</p>
<p>But it stops there, because it&#8217;s so much more than &#8216;just a little extra&#8217;.  Although the people I have come into contact with are amazing and I know they have a true relationship with Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father, I have to know what I&#8217;d be getting into.  So, I do my research, both on/in LDS sites, books, television shows (yes on the BYU channel) as well as what you would call &#8216;anti Mormon propoganda&#8217; websites, books, etc.  In this research, it does nothing but solidify my belief that you don&#8217;t have it right.  (Please don&#8217;t take offense at this.  I honestly say this with as much respect as possible.)  </p>
<p>Reading The History of the Church (all of it, not just what is in the Pearl of Great Price) makes me question so much about Joseph Smith.  And if Joseph Smith wasn&#8217;t the man he presented himself to be, then it&#8217;s quite plausible that the Book of Mormon isn&#8217;t what it&#8217;s been set out to be either, and that&#8217;s what your faith is based on.  It seems like a slippery slope argument I&#8217;m laying here, but even Gorden B. Hinkley has said, &#8220;If the First Vision did not occur, then we are involved in a great sham. It is just that simple.&#8221;  </p>
<p>This may seem like I&#8217;m trying to go off topic or push my own agenda (all while rambling incessantly), but I guess I just wanted to give you some insight into what someone who really has been trying to go at this with an open mind and heart has gone through when becoming &#8216;educated&#8217; about the faith/church.  Like I said, I&#8217;m torn.  I LOVE your church.  I do.  I would not attend Sacrament meetings or other church functions if I didn&#8217;t.  But I think I love the people and practices of the church more than the beliefs and the history of the church or else I&#8217;d probably have been baptized by now.  <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sorry for barging in on your page&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: SLM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In considering this question in its most practical application, what&#039;s actually being asked seems to be this: Will the American public, motivated by Romney&#039;s candidacy to find out more about Mormonism between now and the 2008 election, gain a positive or a negative view of Mormonism?

The answer, I believe, is that it will be largely a negative view... for one simple reason: People will go to the internet for information, before they go anywhere else. And we all know what you get when you type &quot;mormon&quot; or &quot;mormonism&quot; into Google. And the problem with anti sites is that, unfortunately, much of the information they provide is actully true -- it&#039;s just presented in the worst possible light. And I don&#039;t think very many people will probe beyond the first few shocking facts they&#039;ll learn:

--stone in a hat
--funny underwear
--think they can become just like God
--the papyri
--JS had lots of wives and seems to have lied about it
--apparent similarity in LDS and Masonic rituals
--no Hebrew DNA in American Indians
-etc. etc.

This is the kind of stuff that is used as ammo against the Church and I can just imagine someone learning these things right off the bat and deciding they&#039;ve heard enough and don&#039;t need to know more. They&#039;ll decide that Romney belongs to a &quot;weird cult.&quot; After that, maybe they will pity him, but I don&#039;t think they will vote for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In considering this question in its most practical application, what&#8217;s actually being asked seems to be this: Will the American public, motivated by Romney&#8217;s candidacy to find out more about Mormonism between now and the 2008 election, gain a positive or a negative view of Mormonism?</p>
<p>The answer, I believe, is that it will be largely a negative view&#8230; for one simple reason: People will go to the internet for information, before they go anywhere else. And we all know what you get when you type &#8220;mormon&#8221; or &#8220;mormonism&#8221; into Google. And the problem with anti sites is that, unfortunately, much of the information they provide is actully true &#8212; it&#8217;s just presented in the worst possible light. And I don&#8217;t think very many people will probe beyond the first few shocking facts they&#8217;ll learn:</p>
<p>&#8211;stone in a hat<br />
&#8211;funny underwear<br />
&#8211;think they can become just like God<br />
&#8211;the papyri<br />
&#8211;JS had lots of wives and seems to have lied about it<br />
&#8211;apparent similarity in LDS and Masonic rituals<br />
&#8211;no Hebrew DNA in American Indians<br />
-etc. etc.</p>
<p>This is the kind of stuff that is used as ammo against the Church and I can just imagine someone learning these things right off the bat and deciding they&#8217;ve heard enough and don&#8217;t need to know more. They&#8217;ll decide that Romney belongs to a &#8220;weird cult.&#8221; After that, maybe they will pity him, but I don&#8217;t think they will vote for him.</p>
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		<title>By: RoastedTomatoes</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoastedTomatoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding education and negative affect toward Mormons, the Pew results were pretty interesting.  Among college graduates, 64% like Mormons and only 21% dislike us.  Among those with some college who didn&#039;t graduate, 56% are favorable toward Mormons and 27% are unfavorable.  For those with a high school education or less, 45% are favorable and 31% unfavorable.  So, while education specifically about Mormonism may or may not reduce negative feelings about us, education &lt;em&gt;in general&lt;/em&gt; is clearly correlated with more positive feelings toward us.  Actually, a lot of research suggests that education in general is connected with an increase in social and political tolerance; for a good example of this research, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Education-Democratic-Citizenship-America-Norman/dp/0226583899/ref=sr_1_1/104-7917838-9168739?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1194467914&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this book&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding education and negative affect toward Mormons, the Pew results were pretty interesting.  Among college graduates, 64% like Mormons and only 21% dislike us.  Among those with some college who didn&#8217;t graduate, 56% are favorable toward Mormons and 27% are unfavorable.  For those with a high school education or less, 45% are favorable and 31% unfavorable.  So, while education specifically about Mormonism may or may not reduce negative feelings about us, education <em>in general</em> is clearly correlated with more positive feelings toward us.  Actually, a lot of research suggests that education in general is connected with an increase in social and political tolerance; for a good example of this research, see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Education-Democratic-Citizenship-America-Norman/dp/0226583899/ref=sr_1_1/104-7917838-9168739?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1194467914&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">this book</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of thoughts on this question of whether we should we strive to find common ground, or we should proudly emphasize our differences.  I&#039;m sympathetic to Seth&#039;s point of view on this one; I see a contradiction between telling the world we have a message that they need, and telling them that we basically believe the same things.  On the other hand, I think that noting genuine points of contact can also be useful--at least, I know it helps me understand other people&#039;s faith when I can somehow connect it to my own religious experience. 

Catholic theologian David Tracy proposes that we make use of what he calls &quot;the analogical imagination&quot; in interfaith dialogue, which involves maintaining the tension between similarity and dissimilarity without collapsing the relationship into either one, and I find that a potentially helpful way of thinking about this.  In other words, our doctrines may have analogues in those of other traditions; they&#039;re not exactly the same, but nor are they utterly foreign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of thoughts on this question of whether we should we strive to find common ground, or we should proudly emphasize our differences.  I&#8217;m sympathetic to Seth&#8217;s point of view on this one; I see a contradiction between telling the world we have a message that they need, and telling them that we basically believe the same things.  On the other hand, I think that noting genuine points of contact can also be useful&#8211;at least, I know it helps me understand other people&#8217;s faith when I can somehow connect it to my own religious experience. </p>
<p>Catholic theologian David Tracy proposes that we make use of what he calls &#8220;the analogical imagination&#8221; in interfaith dialogue, which involves maintaining the tension between similarity and dissimilarity without collapsing the relationship into either one, and I find that a potentially helpful way of thinking about this.  In other words, our doctrines may have analogues in those of other traditions; they&#8217;re not exactly the same, but nor are they utterly foreign.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the interesting input, everyone!  I&#039;m still not sure what I think about this, and I&#039;m enjoying the various perspectives.

Matt B. said (#2):

&lt;blockquote&gt;Personally, the more freaky stuff about Mormonism I learn the more I like it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That figures. :P

Actually, I think you raise a good point--what one person might find off-puttingly weird might be embraced by another as refreshingly different.

Dave T. (#3), I agree that one of our problems is that we locate our supernatural stories in the recent past, rather than having them shrouded in centuries of tradition.  Angels in the 19th century simply sound stranger than angels in the first century.

A couple of comments make what I think is a relevant distinction between Mormons as people, and LDS theology.    My guess is that it&#039;s easier to persuade others that Mormons are relatively normal folk than that LDS beliefs aren&#039;t bizarre.  Though I want to think more about the extent to which the two can really be separated.

I also think Petra makes a good point: the assumption that education necessarily eradicates prejudice is definitely one worth examining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the interesting input, everyone!  I&#8217;m still not sure what I think about this, and I&#8217;m enjoying the various perspectives.</p>
<p>Matt B. said (#2):</p>
<blockquote><p>Personally, the more freaky stuff about Mormonism I learn the more I like it.</p></blockquote>
<p>That figures. <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Actually, I think you raise a good point&#8211;what one person might find off-puttingly weird might be embraced by another as refreshingly different.</p>
<p>Dave T. (#3), I agree that one of our problems is that we locate our supernatural stories in the recent past, rather than having them shrouded in centuries of tradition.  Angels in the 19th century simply sound stranger than angels in the first century.</p>
<p>A couple of comments make what I think is a relevant distinction between Mormons as people, and LDS theology.    My guess is that it&#8217;s easier to persuade others that Mormons are relatively normal folk than that LDS beliefs aren&#8217;t bizarre.  Though I want to think more about the extent to which the two can really be separated.</p>
<p>I also think Petra makes a good point: the assumption that education necessarily eradicates prejudice is definitely one worth examining.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in Austin yesterday on business.  I&#039;m regretting not buying one of the &quot;Keep Austin Weird&quot; teeshirts at the airport, so that I could have put tape over it to read &quot;Keep Mormonism Weird.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Austin yesterday on business.  I&#8217;m regretting not buying one of the &#8220;Keep Austin Weird&#8221; teeshirts at the airport, so that I could have put tape over it to read &#8220;Keep Mormonism Weird.&#8221;</p>
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