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		<title>By: Zelophehad&#8217;s Daughters &#124; How Has the Bloggernacle Changed Your Experience of Church?</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/09/07/in-praise-of-feminine-language/#comment-49359</link>
		<dc:creator>Zelophehad&#8217;s Daughters &#124; How Has the Bloggernacle Changed Your Experience of Church?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] now that my discourse has been irreversibly masculinized by online norms, it&#8217;s hard not to find church conversation insufficiently provocative. On the one hand, too [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] now that my discourse has been irreversibly masculinized by online norms, it&#8217;s hard not to find church conversation insufficiently provocative. On the one hand, too [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LDS Anarchist</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/09/07/in-praise-of-feminine-language/#comment-38193</link>
		<dc:creator>LDS Anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, it&#039;s all good.  I like the feminine way, the masculine way, the asexual way.  Whatever.  The only thing that is bad is getting offended and censoring thought.  That&#039;s bad.  As a man, I&#039;ll only use &quot;I feel&quot; when I&#039;m talking about feelings; &quot;I think&quot; when I&#039;m talking about thoughts.  But when I&#039;m talking about conclusions I&#039;ve come to based upon the evidence I&#039;ve seen, I&#039;ll either say, &quot;My understanding is&quot; or something along those lines.  Usually though, if I&#039;ve arrived at an understanding or conclusion on something, I&#039;ll have lots of evidence to back it up, and if asked why I have such an understanding, will blast away with both guns (figuratively speaking), which people aren&#039;t prepared for and they become intimidated by me from then on.  My experience, however, has been that since my understandings are &lt;em&gt;soooo &lt;/em&gt;unconventional to the normal way people perceive things, that they usually get offended by my understanding and refuse to listen to the evidences I have amassed to arrive at that understanding.

I&#039;ve met only two people in my life who can listen to my understandings without getting offended.  One (an Ephraimite member)  listens and suspends judgment until the resurrection, the other (a Manassahite member) listens, follows the logic, searches the evidence and almost always arrives at the same conclusion.  (His opinion is that Ephraimite church members cannot understand what I or he says because they are Ephraimites and he and I are Manassahites.  It&#039;s a tribal thing, according to him.)  All others get offended.  (I&#039;m surrounded by Ephraimites, so maybe he&#039;s right.)

So, more power to you if you use the feminine mode of speaking.  I see no weakness in it.  Viva la difference!  (There is no one more open-minded than an anarchist.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, it&#8217;s all good.  I like the feminine way, the masculine way, the asexual way.  Whatever.  The only thing that is bad is getting offended and censoring thought.  That&#8217;s bad.  As a man, I&#8217;ll only use &#8220;I feel&#8221; when I&#8217;m talking about feelings; &#8220;I think&#8221; when I&#8217;m talking about thoughts.  But when I&#8217;m talking about conclusions I&#8217;ve come to based upon the evidence I&#8217;ve seen, I&#8217;ll either say, &#8220;My understanding is&#8221; or something along those lines.  Usually though, if I&#8217;ve arrived at an understanding or conclusion on something, I&#8217;ll have lots of evidence to back it up, and if asked why I have such an understanding, will blast away with both guns (figuratively speaking), which people aren&#8217;t prepared for and they become intimidated by me from then on.  My experience, however, has been that since my understandings are <em>soooo </em>unconventional to the normal way people perceive things, that they usually get offended by my understanding and refuse to listen to the evidences I have amassed to arrive at that understanding.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met only two people in my life who can listen to my understandings without getting offended.  One (an Ephraimite member)  listens and suspends judgment until the resurrection, the other (a Manassahite member) listens, follows the logic, searches the evidence and almost always arrives at the same conclusion.  (His opinion is that Ephraimite church members cannot understand what I or he says because they are Ephraimites and he and I are Manassahites.  It&#8217;s a tribal thing, according to him.)  All others get offended.  (I&#8217;m surrounded by Ephraimites, so maybe he&#8217;s right.)</p>
<p>So, more power to you if you use the feminine mode of speaking.  I see no weakness in it.  Viva la difference!  (There is no one more open-minded than an anarchist.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/09/07/in-praise-of-feminine-language/#comment-36133</link>
		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, as always, to everyone who&#039;s taken the time to comment. Many of you have made excellent points and brought up some fascinating questions about the complexities of written versus spoken language, the norms of academic discourse, and the still emerging norms of blogs. I&#039;ve really enjoyed reading the discussion, and I think you&#039;ve all covered the ground so well that I don&#039;t really have anything to add.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, as always, to everyone who&#8217;s taken the time to comment. Many of you have made excellent points and brought up some fascinating questions about the complexities of written versus spoken language, the norms of academic discourse, and the still emerging norms of blogs. I&#8217;ve really enjoyed reading the discussion, and I think you&#8217;ve all covered the ground so well that I don&#8217;t really have anything to add.</p>
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		<title>By: C. L. Hanson</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/09/07/in-praise-of-feminine-language/#comment-35810</link>
		<dc:creator>C. L. Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that qualifying declarative statements with one&#039;s degree of certainty (and sources) is a mark of a trustworthy speaker, and it opens up productive discussion.

In my own blog, I make an effort to present my ideas in terms of &quot;Hey, here&#039;s an idea I&#039;m throwing out there -- what do you think of it?&quot;  Yet that &quot;gender genie&quot; (linked in the original fMh post) thinks I&#039;m male for practically every post I&#039;ve written.  I&#039;m not sure what&#039;s up with that....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that qualifying declarative statements with one&#8217;s degree of certainty (and sources) is a mark of a trustworthy speaker, and it opens up productive discussion.</p>
<p>In my own blog, I make an effort to present my ideas in terms of &#8220;Hey, here&#8217;s an idea I&#8217;m throwing out there &#8212; what do you think of it?&#8221;  Yet that &#8220;gender genie&#8221; (linked in the original fMh post) thinks I&#8217;m male for practically every post I&#8217;ve written.  I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s up with that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Russell</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/09/07/in-praise-of-feminine-language/#comment-35807</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ziff, I’d say New Cool Thang is where I’d be the least worried about mitigating my tone. It’s more about ideas themselves over there; it’s kind of like a philosophy class. You can just say what you are thinking straightforwardly and you know people are simply going to respond to your arguments without it ever becoming personal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ziff, I’d say New Cool Thang is where I’d be the least worried about mitigating my tone. It’s more about ideas themselves over there; it’s kind of like a philosophy class. You can just say what you are thinking straightforwardly and you know people are simply going to respond to your arguments without it ever becoming personal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ziff</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/09/07/in-praise-of-feminine-language/#comment-35663</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet, I agree with you about FMH and T&amp;S. I think that&#039;s why I comment more on FMH than on T&amp;S. I guess I&#039;m looking more for &quot;talky&quot; discussion than for &quot;writey&quot; discussion.

Also, regarding the use of &quot;um,&quot; in my experience, even being long removed from being a teenager, I still worry about saying things to make myself look stupid in front of women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet, I agree with you about FMH and T&#038;S. I think that&#8217;s why I comment more on FMH than on T&#038;S. I guess I&#8217;m looking more for &#8220;talky&#8221; discussion than for &#8220;writey&#8221; discussion.</p>
<p>Also, regarding the use of &#8220;um,&#8221; in my experience, even being long removed from being a teenager, I still worry about saying things to make myself look stupid in front of women.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/09/07/in-praise-of-feminine-language/#comment-35549</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, that&#039;s really funny. I&#039;d assumed &quot;um&quot; &quot;eh&quot; etc. signaled anxiety in teenage boys, but not in men. Hmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, that&#8217;s really funny. I&#8217;d assumed &#8220;um&#8221; &#8220;eh&#8221; etc. signaled anxiety in teenage boys, but not in men. Hmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/09/07/in-praise-of-feminine-language/#comment-35548</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The logical question that leads me to is whether conversation in the bloggernacle is more like spoken or written language. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This segues nicely into Eric&#039;s observations. Different blogs have different &quot;feels.&quot; FMH feels orally residual to me. Times and Seasons not so much. Value neutral--but important when constructing comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The logical question that leads me to is whether conversation in the bloggernacle is more like spoken or written language. </p></blockquote>
<p>This segues nicely into Eric&#8217;s observations. Different blogs have different &#8220;feels.&#8221; FMH feels orally residual to me. Times and Seasons not so much. Value neutral&#8211;but important when constructing comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ziff</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/09/07/in-praise-of-feminine-language/#comment-35491</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric said,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve noticed that, for me, the frequency of my using softening phrases varies from blog to blog. Coincidently, the blog where I have been the most conscientious of adding them into comments is this one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I like your point about the audience influencing whether you use qualifiers or not. I&#039;m also happy to hear that ZD has had a feminizing influence on you. :) Out of curiosity, at which blogs do you think you use few or no qualifiers? (And I would be interested to hear what anyone else&#039;s impression is on this issue too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric said,</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve noticed that, for me, the frequency of my using softening phrases varies from blog to blog. Coincidently, the blog where I have been the most conscientious of adding them into comments is this one.</p></blockquote>
<p>I like your point about the audience influencing whether you use qualifiers or not. I&#8217;m also happy to hear that ZD has had a feminizing influence on you. <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Out of curiosity, at which blogs do you think you use few or no qualifiers? (And I would be interested to hear what anyone else&#8217;s impression is on this issue too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ziff</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2007/09/07/in-praise-of-feminine-language/#comment-35483</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, Eve!

I agree with several of you who have made the point that using qualifiers tends to be helpful in spoken language, but not so much in written. The logical question that leads me to is whether conversation in the bloggernacle is more like spoken or written language. (I mean, aside from the obvious point that it&#039;s technically written.)

I think that many comments sound a lot more like spoken language than like written language, and their structure is certainly often like spoken language--short paragraphs, lots of back and forth comments, less emphasis on getting the structure right than in most writing.

Of course comments are also more formal than most speech in that they even &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; paragraphs. And there&#039;s lots of variance from person to person (and from blog to blog, in general) in how formal the comments are. But I think my point still holds true that comments are enough like spoken language that qualifiers are helpful rather than a distraction.

Tangentially, posts themselves are another animal because they are typically thought out more in advance than are comments. I suspect that this makes them more like written language in general, so perhaps qualifiers would come across as distracting in them. Again, of course, there&#039;s variability depending on who&#039;s doing the posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Eve!</p>
<p>I agree with several of you who have made the point that using qualifiers tends to be helpful in spoken language, but not so much in written. The logical question that leads me to is whether conversation in the bloggernacle is more like spoken or written language. (I mean, aside from the obvious point that it&#8217;s technically written.)</p>
<p>I think that many comments sound a lot more like spoken language than like written language, and their structure is certainly often like spoken language&#8211;short paragraphs, lots of back and forth comments, less emphasis on getting the structure right than in most writing.</p>
<p>Of course comments are also more formal than most speech in that they even <em>have</em> paragraphs. And there&#8217;s lots of variance from person to person (and from blog to blog, in general) in how formal the comments are. But I think my point still holds true that comments are enough like spoken language that qualifiers are helpful rather than a distraction.</p>
<p>Tangentially, posts themselves are another animal because they are typically thought out more in advance than are comments. I suspect that this makes them more like written language in general, so perhaps qualifiers would come across as distracting in them. Again, of course, there&#8217;s variability depending on who&#8217;s doing the posting.</p>
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