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		<title>By: The Bouncer</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2006/08/23/art-is-a-vitamin/#comment-2253</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bouncer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, that&#039;s it. Kiskilili and Ziff, you&#039;re kicked out of the family for failing to appreciate Harry Potter. Eve, you&#039;re kicked out for failing to appreciate Star Wars. The doctrine must be kept pure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, that&#8217;s it. Kiskilili and Ziff, you&#8217;re kicked out of the family for failing to appreciate Harry Potter. Eve, you&#8217;re kicked out for failing to appreciate Star Wars. The doctrine must be kept pure.</p>
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		<title>By: ladyinthehat</title>
		<link>http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2006/08/23/art-is-a-vitamin/#comment-2252</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have few regrets.  But I have a few.  One big one is that I didn&#039;t expose my children to classical music when they were growing up.&lt;br /&gt;
I love, LOVE, L-O-V-E, rock music.  That&#039;s what I played.  That&#039;s what I still play.  LOUD.&lt;br /&gt;
Guess what all six of my adult children love, LOVE, L-O-V-E?  Yep, rock music.  I hope I haven&#039;t ruined them for all eternity.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh yea, by the way: CCR rules, as does Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have few regrets.  But I have a few.  One big one is that I didn&#8217;t expose my children to classical music when they were growing up.<br />
I love, LOVE, L-O-V-E, rock music.  That&#8217;s what I played.  That&#8217;s what I still play.  LOUD.<br />
Guess what all six of my adult children love, LOVE, L-O-V-E?  Yep, rock music.  I hope I haven&#8217;t ruined them for all eternity.<br />
Oh yea, by the way: CCR rules, as does Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Bowman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Bowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurs to me that the impulse to reject or accept cultural canonization might have as much to do with our relationship to the canonizer as anything else.  I, for instance, have been guilty of the following things: 1)Being convinced that I would hate basketball because it was embraced by the Neanderthals of my junior high; 2)Summarily refusing to read any book Oprah recommends (and feeling transgressed against when she embraced Cry, the Beloved Country); 3)Preferring the Biblical interpretations of people like Raymond Brown to those of our untrained General Authorities; 4)Refusing to read Harry Potter because everybody else liked them.

Even though I now play ball every couple of weeks (and read Harry Potter, horrors!), there&#039;s definitely an elitist cast to the other two things.  On the other side of the coin is what I might call populist elitism, which is as common as people dismissing the opinion of movie critics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me that the impulse to reject or accept cultural canonization might have as much to do with our relationship to the canonizer as anything else.  I, for instance, have been guilty of the following things: 1)Being convinced that I would hate basketball because it was embraced by the Neanderthals of my junior high; 2)Summarily refusing to read any book Oprah recommends (and feeling transgressed against when she embraced Cry, the Beloved Country); 3)Preferring the Biblical interpretations of people like Raymond Brown to those of our untrained General Authorities; 4)Refusing to read Harry Potter because everybody else liked them.</p>
<p>Even though I now play ball every couple of weeks (and read Harry Potter, horrors!), there&#8217;s definitely an elitist cast to the other two things.  On the other side of the coin is what I might call populist elitism, which is as common as people dismissing the opinion of movie critics.</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiskilili and Ziff, I will steer the HP truce through committee if it can be reverse-engineered to include a Star Wars clause. (My merely mild interest in the movies has, as I recall, been made grounds for my expulsion from the family by, ahemAmalthea, the seriously devoted)

Ziff, it&#039;s interesting to me that you, like my husband, seem to prefer nonfiction. I&#039;ve been begging my husband for years to just give a novel a try. No can do, he says. No hard, cold facts--no time. Is this trait more prevelant on the Y chromosome? But you&#039;re breaking my heart, recommending fun reading just as school starts.

Deborah, LOL! (You can be my Biblical interpreter anytime--tricky to figure out what moral lessons to draw from some of those stories.) Also, I so wish you had been my junior high English teacher.

Katya, I think that may be the case of at least some English teachers I&#039;ve endured (a minority, but a loud and overbearing one). I got the distinct impression from one or two that they themselves had never derived an iota of pleasure from the grim and distastefully classical novels they poured down our throats like so much castor oil, and about which we had to fill out worksheet after worksheet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiskilili and Ziff, I will steer the HP truce through committee if it can be reverse-engineered to include a Star Wars clause. (My merely mild interest in the movies has, as I recall, been made grounds for my expulsion from the family by, ahemAmalthea, the seriously devoted)</p>
<p>Ziff, it&#8217;s interesting to me that you, like my husband, seem to prefer nonfiction. I&#8217;ve been begging my husband for years to just give a novel a try. No can do, he says. No hard, cold facts&#8211;no time. Is this trait more prevelant on the Y chromosome? But you&#8217;re breaking my heart, recommending fun reading just as school starts.</p>
<p>Deborah, LOL! (You can be my Biblical interpreter anytime&#8211;tricky to figure out what moral lessons to draw from some of those stories.) Also, I so wish you had been my junior high English teacher.</p>
<p>Katya, I think that may be the case of at least some English teachers I&#8217;ve endured (a minority, but a loud and overbearing one). I got the distinct impression from one or two that they themselves had never derived an iota of pleasure from the grim and distastefully classical novels they poured down our throats like so much castor oil, and about which we had to fill out worksheet after worksheet.</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiskilili - Do you think there might also be some sort of cultural &quot;hazing&quot; involved - forcing people to read unpleasant books merely because you were forced to read them yourself, and pretending that doing so makes one culturally and intellectually superior so you don&#039;t have to admit to the pointlessness of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiskilili &#8211; Do you think there might also be some sort of cultural &#8220;hazing&#8221; involved &#8211; forcing people to read unpleasant books merely because you were forced to read them yourself, and pretending that doing so makes one culturally and intellectually superior so you don&#8217;t have to admit to the pointlessness of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ziff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ziff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I&#039;m not a Harry Potter fan either, Kiskilili, so you&#039;re not alone. Although my wife does frequently prod me to give the books a try. I believe her exact words are something like &quot;Every day you live without having read them is less happy than it otherwise would have been.&quot;

And I wonder if you might not like &lt;i&gt;The Way of All Flesh&lt;/i&gt; if you just read the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1860468446/026-2448500-4149223?v=glance&amp;n=266239&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;right version&lt;/a&gt;. Really, the one subtitled &quot;A Celebration of Decay&quot; is surprisingly fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;m not a Harry Potter fan either, Kiskilili, so you&#8217;re not alone. Although my wife does frequently prod me to give the books a try. I believe her exact words are something like &#8220;Every day you live without having read them is less happy than it otherwise would have been.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I wonder if you might not like <i>The Way of All Flesh</i> if you just read the <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1860468446/026-2448500-4149223?v=glance&amp;n=266239" rel="nofollow">right version</a>. Really, the one subtitled &#8220;A Celebration of Decay&#8221; is surprisingly fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>make that *her* older brother :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>make that *her* older brother <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;(What the implications of all this are for scripture would be fascinating to explore.) &lt;/em&gt;

Don&#039;t you think this, in some ways is the genius of the Hebrew Bible -- love stories, war stories, poetry, exposition, geneology, riddles, sermons, sex, death.  Much more troubling and yet personalizable (not a word, I know) than the New Testament or Book of Mormon.  I get to love Deborah&#039;s song and Ecclesiastes while someone else analyzes obscure laws and someone else makes a sling shot to take out their older brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>(What the implications of all this are for scripture would be fascinating to explore.) </em></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think this, in some ways is the genius of the Hebrew Bible &#8212; love stories, war stories, poetry, exposition, geneology, riddles, sermons, sex, death.  Much more troubling and yet personalizable (not a word, I know) than the New Testament or Book of Mormon.  I get to love Deborah&#8217;s song and Ecclesiastes while someone else analyzes obscure laws and someone else makes a sling shot to take out their older brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiskilili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiskilili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(It occurs to me that this same dynamic sometimes applies to what I&#039;m inclined to call &quot;low-brow canonization&quot; as well. For example, I believe I am the single non-Harry Potter fan in my family. Some of my friends have helpfully tried to teach me how to love HP, which, I confess, has only calcified my dislike. I have a truce with my sisters (I hope!): my dislike of HP is in no way to be construed as a judgment on their interest. No accounting for taste and all that.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(It occurs to me that this same dynamic sometimes applies to what I&#8217;m inclined to call &#8220;low-brow canonization&#8221; as well. For example, I believe I am the single non-Harry Potter fan in my family. Some of my friends have helpfully tried to teach me how to love HP, which, I confess, has only calcified my dislike. I have a truce with my sisters (I hope!): my dislike of HP is in no way to be construed as a judgment on their interest. No accounting for taste and all that.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kiskilili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiskilili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deborah, what you&#039;re saying makes a lot of sense to me. I can relate to the kids who stubbornly refuse to like things simply because they&#039;re told they should (does this indicate a personality defect? probably). My high school English teacher told us there was no girl who wouldn&#039;t love &lt;em&gt;Jane Eyre&lt;/em&gt;. With a rousing recommendation of that nature, I steered absolutely clear of it, determined to hate it. (I read it several years later in college and loved it, in spite of myself). On another occasion while the class was delivering oral reports on optional reading in which we were asked to rate books, I was informed that anyone who gave a classic a low rating had a low IQ. Even with this warning, I gave my book a 1 out of 10, because I genuinely found it boring. (I may be overly concerned with individuality and authenticity.) 

Of course, I like quite a lot of &quot;classic&quot; literature and &quot;classical&quot; music both. But I do think canonization can backfire--most of us dislike what we&#039;re instructed we &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; like. I think I grew up with the idea that &quot;literature&quot; referred to holy tomes written for other people--smart, sophisticated, &lt;em&gt;special&lt;/em&gt; people--not for grubby people like me.

But I do think the value of literature, for example, lies in its very particularity rather than its alleged universality, and for that reason I doubt there&#039;s any work of art that&#039;s going to appeal to every single person. And I think that&#039;s okay.

(What the implications of all this are for scripture would be fascinating to explore.)   

Anyway, it sounds like you&#039;re a fabulous teacher--and heaven knows, our junior high schools can use more of those. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah, what you&#8217;re saying makes a lot of sense to me. I can relate to the kids who stubbornly refuse to like things simply because they&#8217;re told they should (does this indicate a personality defect? probably). My high school English teacher told us there was no girl who wouldn&#8217;t love <em>Jane Eyre</em>. With a rousing recommendation of that nature, I steered absolutely clear of it, determined to hate it. (I read it several years later in college and loved it, in spite of myself). On another occasion while the class was delivering oral reports on optional reading in which we were asked to rate books, I was informed that anyone who gave a classic a low rating had a low IQ. Even with this warning, I gave my book a 1 out of 10, because I genuinely found it boring. (I may be overly concerned with individuality and authenticity.) </p>
<p>Of course, I like quite a lot of &#8220;classic&#8221; literature and &#8220;classical&#8221; music both. But I do think canonization can backfire&#8211;most of us dislike what we&#8217;re instructed we <em>should</em> like. I think I grew up with the idea that &#8220;literature&#8221; referred to holy tomes written for other people&#8211;smart, sophisticated, <em>special</em> people&#8211;not for grubby people like me.</p>
<p>But I do think the value of literature, for example, lies in its very particularity rather than its alleged universality, and for that reason I doubt there&#8217;s any work of art that&#8217;s going to appeal to every single person. And I think that&#8217;s okay.</p>
<p>(What the implications of all this are for scripture would be fascinating to explore.)   </p>
<p>Anyway, it sounds like you&#8217;re a fabulous teacher&#8211;and heaven knows, our junior high schools can use more of those. <img src='http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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